Hearing some trouble is on the horizon....

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I hear you brother. Too bad we couldn't get our whistleblower to recant, but maybe we had 12 million reasons why we didn't want her to.
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No idea who came forward but I can guarantee some boosters were so upset with the direction of the program that they would be happy to blow it up with an NCAA investigation to get Fulmer and Pruitt out. Idk if that happened but I can guarantee this was never about doing the right thing.
 
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Doctrippin said:
Right, but his confession was made on tape and probably without his knowledge. So, he just made that whole thing up and now denies it? Only an investigation would uncover the truth but that won't happen. Same with the Vol that was paid 70K and then stiffed them to go to UGA. Did he go to UGA for free when the Vols were offering cash? Logic should answer that but there will not be an investigation into Smart. This is a hit job on TN Athletics that is ignoring a lot of smoke in other places
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Or he was just regaling a bunch of country bumpkins with self aggrandizing tall tales in the first instance but when it came time to go under oath he admitted to not really knowing anything. For the record I think everyone in the SEC cheats other than maybe Vandy but Propst is human debris. He had two different families that didn't know about each other. If he'd have picked anyone but Chubb to single out as receiving money it would have been more believable but the Chubb family are very solid people and not desperate for money the way alot of these athletes' families are. Regardless, I knew it wasn't going anywhere when he also implicated Bama. The NCAA will not kill it's cash cow.
 
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philosovol said:
It's the first part of this that's the scary part. Not much of a leap from that to "lack of institutional control".
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I agree, too many Chiefs and not enough Indians which means the Indians do what they want because the Chiefs are arguing about who is in control....This was the Fulmer dilemma of which he constantly kept the crap stirred....to have control...
 
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Propst credibility is so bad nothing he says will stand up to an investigation even if he is right. Lawyers would shred him. AL / GA are the protected programs of the SEC now so don't expect anything out of this for them.
 
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RoanokeVol said:
The victim refusing to discuss the incident is interesting to me.
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Why? It is likely one of two things.
He was holding and doesnt want to be in triuble himself

He is afraid if retaliation

Or both.

Regardless of his reasons, the 5 involved whether they are football players or not..are piece of shiit thugs. And deserve ti be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The above is assuming the story is accurate as reported.

But looking for excuses because it might be footabll players...eff that.
 
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sjt18 said:
Or... maybe not everyone is on and off the bus yet? Or maybe the reflection of the expectations, ethics, and morals of the guy who signed them?
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Always gotta be an assh..e to tear down/make fun of a coaches methods.

And of course its guys who have never led a team of anything in their life
 
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Volador said:
Will never forget during my time at UT that the Knoxville Sentinel reported that Bernard King of the Volunteers was pulled over and had marijuana on his breath. Aaaaahhhh, the days when local Police turned a blind eye on our glorified athletes vs today when they jump on the opportunity to have a video go viral of them arresting an athlete
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Officers have no leeway now. They are all mic’ed up and video recorded. No more breaks. Cant risk losing their job because some 18-22 year old 5 star wants to be a criminal. Players used to get cut breaks all of the time. Not now because you’ll be fired.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
No Because there is a lack of Adult Supervision.
Kids getting paid and spending it on Drugs....Rookies 101.....Fulmer Cup alive and well.....
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They aren't kids anymore. Why is ni one responsible for their decisions and actions anymore? If 17 and 18 year olds can enlist, go to war a die for their country then why can't football players be held accountable?

If this had happened in the military they would getting their tail handed to them.
 
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buckfama said:
They aren't kids anymore. Why is ni one responsible for their decisions and actions anymore? If 17 and 18 year olds can enlist, go to war a die for their country then why can't football players be held accountable?

If this had happened in the military they would getting their tail handed to them.
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I make this argument all the time and when I do I'm made to feel like a boy scout or something.

I had fun in my youth and somehow the police were never involved.

It was really simple for me. The idea of having to make that phone call from the police station to my parents was not an option.
 
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99gator said:
I make this argument all the time and when I do I'm made to feel like a boy scout or something.

I had fun in my youth and somehow the police were never involved.

It was really simple for me. The idea of having to make that phone call from the police station to my parents was not an option.
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I keep seeing "they made a mistake" . A mistake is forgetting to put change in a parking meter, making a wrong turn, or forgetting a dentist appointment.

They are given every advantage a person their age can get. Free education, world class facilities, free room and board, all they have to do is follow the rules for 4 years, maybe 3 if they are really good.

But if they did assault someone and take their dope, and were dumb enough to do it with cameras in the building, then they deserve everything they have coming to them. Because what they did wasn't a mistake it was a choice. And they knew what they had to lose going in.
 
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buckfama said:
I keep seeing "they made a mistake" . A mistake is forgetting to put change in a parking meter, making a wrong turn, or forgetting a dentist appointment.

They are given every advantage a person their age can get. Free education, world class facilities, free room and board, all they have to do is follow the rules for 4 years, maybe 3 if they are really good.

But if they did assault someone and take their dope, and were dumb enough to do it with cameras in the building, then they deserve everything they have coming to them. Because what they did wasn't a mistake it was a choice. And they knew what they had to lose going in.
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The world could get straightened out if this kind of thinking made a comeback, personal responsibility and assumption of risk, they aren't fuddy duddy ideas, they made the world work.
 
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buckfama said:
They aren't kids anymore. Why is ni one responsible for their decisions and actions anymore? If 17 and 18 year olds can enlist, go to war a die for their country then why can't football players be held accountable?

If this had happened in the military they would getting their tail handed to them.
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OL SMOKEY said:
This is one thing I will never understand. When a player gets in trouble they are considered by some kids. A 17 or 18 year old is not a kid. Quit making excuses for them. Time to grow up and face the consequences. Bad choices equal bad results.
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These are good things to remember in relation to HT and QC. Two young adults trying to make good choices for their future; that they are solely accountable for. These arrested players made a terrible choice and more than likely didn’t think about the consequences. Seems like HT and QC are doing the very thing we want maturing adults to do, yet we question their character for not making their decision on our timeline.
 
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BlinghamptonVol said:
These are good things to remember in relation to HT and QC. Two young adults trying to make good choices for their future; that they are solely accountable for. These arrested players made a terrible choice and more than likely didn’t think about the consequences. Seems like HT and QC are doing the very thing we want maturing adults to do, yet we question their character for not making their decision on our timeline.
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I don't fall into that camp that believes they are traitors.

Unless they took money and are waiting to see if they will be eligible, I wish them the best. Thats the only circumstance that would sour me on them going into the portal.
 
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buckfama said:
I keep seeing "they made a mistake" . A mistake is forgetting to put change in a parking meter, making a wrong turn, or forgetting a dentist appointment.

They are given every advantage a person their age can get. Free education, world class facilities, free room and board, all they have to do is follow the rules for 4 years, maybe 3 if they are really good.

But if they did assault someone and take their dope, and were dumb enough to do it with cameras in the building, then they deserve everything they have coming to them. Because what they did wasn't a mistake it was a choice. And they knew what they had to lose going in.
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If there were leaders on the team players would be on their toes. No leadership.
 
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buckfama said:
Do you need a leader to follow you around and tell you that assaulting someone and taking their dope is wrong?

I didn't when I was 18 and don't now.
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I think that's the point. Leaders don't follow. They lead. They provide an example for the lads to follow. You probably had a leader (or several leaders) in your childhood. So you already had solid values instilled in your character by the time you were 18.

With good leadership, young men don't become trouble makers. Denzel Washington talks about this, about how every one of his childhood buddies ended up in jail for long stretches, while he didn't. He attributes the difference to the leadership his father provided; the other lads didn't have a father figure in their lives.

Some of our lads will have grown up without a father figure, and perhaps without any leader to teach them values. A leader at the university can help with that, especially if that leader is there for them from the moment they arrive. Influence them early, before they become set in bad ways, or surrounded by the wrong crowd.

Leadership. Always valuable.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I think that's the point. Leaders don't follow. They lead. They provide an example for the lads to follow. You probably had a leader (or several leaders) in your childhood. So you already had solid values instilled in your character by the time you were 18.

With good leadership, young men don't become trouble makers. Denzel Washington talks about this, about how every one of his childhood buddies ended up in jail for long stretches, while he didn't. He attributes the difference to the leadership his father provided; the other lads didn't have a father figure in their lives.

Some of our lads will have grown up without a father figure, and perhaps without any leader to teach them values. A leader at the university can help with that, especially if that leader is there for them from the moment they arrive. Influence them early, before they become set in bad ways, or surrounded by the wrong crowd.

Leadership. Always valuable.
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This is a very good point. The 17 year old who is caught up in this mess has probably been on campus less than 2 months. How did he end up running with exactly the wrong crowd?

For some guys, college represents a chance to break from destructive behaviors. It would be great if we had coaches and other players to show them alternatives rather than people to reinforce bad behavior.
 
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