Hear me out….. wishbone

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The key to pointing points on UGA is winning 1 vs 1 matchups on in the passing game and our oline finally holding its on against their dline. They’re probably the one team we face that has the talent to stop our run game without stacking the box. So gonna have to sling it and make plays
 
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Back in the 70s I coached on a staff and we ran the Wishbone....and the Houston Veer. I can assure you linemen today and their zone blocking wouldn't cut it in those offenses. RBs would have to learn their steps....QB under center has to learn their steps....it's a lot of timing like a ballet. There was a lot more coaching back in those days than this 1 back and QB shotgun stuff that's run high school on up. It's why high schools run it....doesn't take a lot of teaching and coaching.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Folks forget that the triple option / wishbone has its downsides, too. It is not very pass-friendly, is slow and plodding, and is actually fairly containable by a disciplined defense trained to counter it.

In the 60s and 70s, many (most? perhaps) college teams ran it. Almost all of them abandoned it by the 80s, in favor of more modern, higher-scoring schemes. There's a reason they did. And a reason the ones still using it today tend to be the academies who are limited in who they can recruit.

It only looks sexy to some in this day and age because almost no one teaches their defenses how to handle it. So Army and Navy chalk up crazy running stats.

That wouldn't happen for us. If a national title-capable SEC program started running the wishbone full-time, rival defenses would get smart on it fast. And it would go back to looking like what we all abandoned for better things.

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But that's not what the OP suggests. He's saying let's just break it out from time to time, as a novelty play. Almost a trick play. I could go with that, though it takes a special group of players to have the right skill sets. Would probably feel a lot like bringing in a wildcat formation...one in the shape of a wishbone.

Go Vols!
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If i remember correctly, we ran an option play with Hooker in the Red Zone, a number of times.
 
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To much speed on SEC defenses to run this effectively. The Academies don't run the wishbone, they run the flexbone variation that Paul Johnson ran at GT.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Win our way. Not with some silly dated attempt to "trick them." Play our ball, our way, and shove it down their throat. That is the only way to win.
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Exactly. Gimmicky plays and uniforms are for programs who don't expect to win, and we've reached the point where expecting to win every week needs to be the mindset if we're ever going to take that next step. Run our system effectively and there will be no need for gimmicks.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Folks forget that the triple option / wishbone has its downsides, too. It is not very pass-friendly, is slow and plodding, and is actually fairly containable by a disciplined defense trained to counter it.

In the 60s and 70s, many (most? perhaps) college teams ran it. Almost all of them abandoned it by the 80s, in favor of more modern, higher-scoring schemes. There's a reason they did. And a reason the ones still using it today tend to be the academies who are limited in who they can recruit.

It only looks sexy to some in this day and age because almost no one teaches their defenses how to handle it. So Army and Navy chalk up crazy running stats.

That wouldn't happen for us. If a national title-capable SEC program started running the wishbone full-time, rival defenses would get smart on it fast. And it would go back to looking like what we all abandoned for better things.

~ ~ ~

But that's not what the OP suggests. He's saying let's just break it out from time to time, as a novelty play. Almost a trick play. I could go with that, though it takes a special group of players to have the right skill sets. Would probably feel a lot like bringing in a wildcat formation...one in the shape of a wishbone.

Go Vols!
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The RPO is the modern day triple option but the same people calling for the triple option get mad when we throw screens out of the RPO
 
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Forget wishbone, run the double wing. We've already lined up in the formation a few times, now let's run some traditional double wing plays out of the formation. If you're not familiar - still have 3 back in the backfield - fullback essentially in same position and the two RB's are split out at the end of LOS and slightly in front of fullback. Some of the counter plays would work well against a team penetrating.

In the end, I trust our OC and JH to come up with some wrinkles.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Folks forget that the triple option / wishbone has its downsides, too. It is not very pass-friendly, is slow and plodding, and is actually fairly containable by a disciplined defense trained to counter it.

In the 60s and 70s, many (most? perhaps) college teams ran it. Almost all of them abandoned it by the 80s, in favor of more modern, higher-scoring schemes. There's a reason they did. And a reason the ones still using it today tend to be the academies who are limited in who they can recruit.

It only looks sexy to some in this day and age because almost no one teaches their defenses how to handle it. So Army and Navy chalk up crazy running stats.

That wouldn't happen for us. If a national title-capable SEC program started running the wishbone full-time, rival defenses would get smart on it fast. And it would go back to looking like what we all abandoned for better things.

~ ~ ~

But that's not what the OP suggests. He's saying let's just break it out from time to time, as a novelty play. Almost a trick play. I could go with that, though it takes a special group of players to have the right skill sets. Would probably feel a lot like bringing in a wildcat formation...one in the shape of a wishbone.

Go Vols!
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Of course, it would have been interesting to throw it in against ETSU (where I am sure it would have enabled some impressive gains) just to give Kirby one more thing to worry about and prepare for. Even if we didn’t run it against UGA; just having to prepare for the possibility of it would have chewed up valuable game week planning and practice hours
 
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fossilfiction said:
The veer....
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We already do… sort of … Veer and shoot.

I would be surprised if we don’t see some brand new looks on Saturday. Last year Kittselman scored when he lined up as a fullback and dove over the pile. If the opportunity comes up I bet we score an unorthodox touchdown this weekend.

We gotta have this one. We need this one.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
We already do… sort of … Veer and shoot.

I would be surprised if we don’t see some brand new looks on Saturday. Last year Kittselman scored when he lined up as a fullback and dove over the pile. If the opportunity comes up I bet we score an unorthodox touchdown this weekend.

We gotta have this one. We need this one.
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Was it the 2022 Bama win when we went I formation and Saban (I think) said that the defense didn’t know how to line up for it?
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
We already do… sort of … Veer and shoot.

I would be surprised if we don’t see some brand new looks on Saturday. Last year Kittselman scored when he lined up as a fullback and dove over the pile. If the opportunity comes up I bet we score an unorthodox touchdown this weekend.

We gotta have this one. We need this one.
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Before he graduates; I want to see Ross do one fake punt. Always heard how the guy has an arm.
 
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