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So here come the episode 4 spoiliers.
SPOILER ALERT
SPOILER ALERT
Title: The Spoils of War,
We see Jaime and Bronn leaving Highgarden, Jaime keeping close watch over a massive loot
train made up of wagons filled with gold ingots, sacks of gold coins, etc. Jaime informs
Bronn its all for the Iron Bank, the Lannisters always pay their debts.
In Brans chamber, Littlefinger tells him that hes there for him, to protect him and anything
he needs to just ask. He would have saved his mother if he could have and hell do anything
for her children. He says he can only imagine what Bran has gone through and how hard it
must be to come back home again only to find such chaos in the world, Bran says chaos is a
ladder, his affect flat and detached. Later Bran talks with Meera. Meera informs him shell
be leaving to go back home to Greywater Watch because when the Army of the Dead comes
she wants to be with her family. All Bran has to say is thank you and Meera gets very upset,
thats all he has to say? She comes to realize whats happened to him (hes now the ThreeEyed
Raven) and she says to him that he died in that cave.
Brienne is suspicious of Littlefinger when she catches him smiling as he watches Meera
leave. She tells him that if he tries to harm any of the Stark children that shell cut him in
half.
In Dragonstone Jon takes Dany, Missandei and some Dothraki guards to a cave where they
meet up with Davos. With torches they follow the tunnel to a deep underground cave and
we can see the walls and ceiling of the cave are shot through with a motherload of
dragonglass. Jon tells them its all they could ever need and that hes very happy with their
progress. Dany takes a torch and starts off deeper into the cave on her own. Everyone
begins following her, Jon advising her to stop as its not safe. She eventually comes into a
smaller cave that has a wall of all dragonglass and theres a spiral carved into the smooth
black rock. They move deper into the space to find more spirals and more mesmerizing
patterns like aboriginal art the images replicate symbols weve seen throughout the
series. Jon says the Children of the Forest made them and he sees a drawing of five small
figures with daggers in their hand, when wondering who they are fighting, they eventually
move a torch to see the unmistakable representation of the Night King with five White
Walkers behind himTyrion and Varys enter the cave to inform Dany that theyve taken Casterly Rock, but
neither of them look happy. Dany is furious when she hears the news about what
happened. She tells Tyrion that theyve lost Dorne, the Iron Islands and the Reach due to his
strategy. Maybe he really doesnt want to hurt their enemies (his family) after all? She says
she wants to fly her dragons to the Red Keep and then asks Jon what he thinks she should
do since shes in a war and clearly is losing. He tells her if she takes her dragons to melt
castles and burn cities then shes no different than the others that came before her.
Arya arrives to the gates of Winterfell but the guards give her trouble and refuse to let her
in, they say Arya Stark has been dead for years and years when she tells them who she is.
Ultimately they come to see that theyll get in trouble for refusing her if she is who she says
so they let her in. The guards argue about who should go get Sansa (Arya is shocked to hear
the news that shes alive and the one in charge while Jon is away) and while theyre arguing
she sneaks away. The guards are with Sansa and tell her what happened, saying theyll find
Arya. Sansa says no need, she knows where Arya went. She goes to find Arya in the crypt
looking at the statue of their father. Sansa tells Arya that Bran is home too but Arya can tell
by how she says it that something is wrong.
Sansa and Arya go to Bran, Bran tells Arya he saw her at the crossroads, thought that she
might go to Kings Landing. Both the girls then spot the Valaryian steel dagger and ask
where he got it, he informs them its from Littlefinger and that he gave it to him because it
was the one that was used to try to kill him after his fall. He then hands it to Arya, saying he
doesnt want it, its worthless for a cripple. Sansa watches the exchange, upset that he
didnt give it to her.
In Dragonstone Davos and Jon are walking along the beach and Davos asks Jon what he
thinks of Dany, hinting that Jon is attracted to her. Jon tells him theres no time to think
about such things. They then see a Greyjoy ship in the distance the ship with Harrag and
Theon Greyjoy. They arrive to shore and Theon asks Jon if Sansa is ok Jon tells him yes
but then pulls him close and tells him what Theon did for her is the only reason hes not
killing him right then and there. They ask him about Yara and when they hear Euron has
her they ask why didnt he take Theon as well? Harrag thinks thats a great question and
looks at Theon waiting for an answer.
Were with Jaime and Bronn and the wagon train during the day at Blackwater Rush. At a
certain point, they hear what sounds almost like a tidal wave, ocean surf crashing but they
are nowhere near a beach. The noise grows louder and the eventually see a swarm of
Dothraki at full gallop charging towards them, screaming for blood. Bronn tells Jaime to go
back to Kings Landing and Jaime says he wont leave his army. Drogon then hurtles down
from the clouds, Dany riding him. She approaches and screams Dracarys
Drogons fire blasts the Lannister line, tons of foot soldiers, mounted officers and wagons
filled with gold and food. Jaime knows they are doomed if they dont do something about
Drogon, he informs all the archers who are left to line up their shots. Arrows whiz towards
Dany, Drogon belly rolls to protect her the arrows bouncing off of his scales like Nerf
darts.
Jaime then realizes that one of Qyburns scorpion weapons is in one of the wagons he
cant shoot it with one hand so he tells Bronn to go get it. On his way to the wagon Bronn
runs into someone who is a better fighter than him. Dickon Tarly ends up saving Jaime.
Bronn ends up hiding in a wagon, the Dothraki soldier eventually finds him and climbs in
with him, once his eyes adjust to the lighting he sees Bronn aiming the scorpion weapon
directly at him he fires and kills him. Bronn then pulls the tarp off of the wagon and
begins to reload the weapon.
Tyrion then walks into view escorted by bodyguards and looks over the entire battlefield.
Were then with Dany on top of Drogon while shes surveying the scene and an eight-foot
bolt whizzes past her head. They realize that Bronn has something that could harm the
dragon. While Bronn is reloading (a job for two men) Drogon starts to head towards him.
Bronn ends up reloading in time and pulls the trigger, the bolt hits Drogon near his
shoulder. Once Drogon comes out of his spin, hes near the wagon and looks back to Bronn.
Bronn is no longer hopeful, he jumps out of the wagon. Drogon immolates the wagon and
the scorpion weapon, Bronn rolls to safety escaping the fire by inches. Dany can tell that
the bolt hit Drogon in a place that hasnt done any real damage.
Jaime has no idea that Tyrion is nearby, hes watching Drogon who has landed near the
river. Dany climbs down and tries to dislodge the harpoon. Jaime can see this happening
and realizes that they are just a few hundred yards away, distracted and vulnerable. Hecould win this war in a single run. The elegiac shots make one thing clear to us: one of our
favorite characters is about to die. But which one? Jaime takes off on his horse, Tyrion
watches Oh you idiot, you ****ing idiot
Dany yanks the harpoon free of the scales and tosses it aside. She then turns and sees Jaime
coming. Drogon then sees him too and as the fire starts coming out of his mouth, Bronn
gallops in and leaps from his saddle, tackling Jaime off of his horse and they both fall into
the river. Underwater surrounded by drowned men floating alongside of them, they look
up to see the flames above the surface. Jaime looks down and sees dead soldiers trapped on
the bottom, the weight of their armor holding them down.
We see Jaime and Bronn leaving Highgarden, Jaime keeping close watch over a massive loot
train made up of wagons filled with gold ingots, sacks of gold coins, etc. Jaime informs
Bronn its all for the Iron Bank, the Lannisters always pay their debts.
In Brans chamber, Littlefinger tells him that hes there for him, to protect him and anything
he needs to just ask. He would have saved his mother if he could have and hell do anything
for her children. He says he can only imagine what Bran has gone through and how hard it
must be to come back home again only to find such chaos in the world, Bran says chaos is a
ladder, his affect flat and detached. Later Bran talks with Meera. Meera informs him shell
be leaving to go back home to Greywater Watch because when the Army of the Dead comes
she wants to be with her family. All Bran has to say is thank you and Meera gets very upset,
thats all he has to say? She comes to realize whats happened to him (hes now the ThreeEyed
Raven) and she says to him that he died in that cave.
Brienne is suspicious of Littlefinger when she catches him smiling as he watches Meera
leave. She tells him that if he tries to harm any of the Stark children that shell cut him in
half.
In Dragonstone Jon takes Dany, Missandei and some Dothraki guards to a cave where they
meet up with Davos. With torches they follow the tunnel to a deep underground cave and
we can see the walls and ceiling of the cave are shot through with a motherload of
dragonglass. Jon tells them its all they could ever need and that hes very happy with their
progress. Dany takes a torch and starts off deeper into the cave on her own. Everyone
begins following her, Jon advising her to stop as its not safe. She eventually comes into a
smaller cave that has a wall of all dragonglass and theres a spiral carved into the smooth
black rock. They move deper into the space to find more spirals and more mesmerizing
patterns like aboriginal art the images replicate symbols weve seen throughout the
series. Jon says the Children of the Forest made them and he sees a drawing of five small
figures with daggers in their hand, when wondering who they are fighting, they eventually
move a torch to see the unmistakable representation of the Night King with five White
Walkers behind himTyrion and Varys enter the cave to inform Dany that theyve taken Casterly Rock, but
neither of them look happy. Dany is furious when she hears the news about what
happened. She tells Tyrion that theyve lost Dorne, the Iron Islands and the Reach due to his
strategy. Maybe he really doesnt want to hurt their enemies (his family) after all? She says
she wants to fly her dragons to the Red Keep and then asks Jon what he thinks she should
do since shes in a war and clearly is losing. He tells her if she takes her dragons to melt
castles and burn cities then shes no different than the others that came before her.
Arya arrives to the gates of Winterfell but the guards give her trouble and refuse to let her
in, they say Arya Stark has been dead for years and years when she tells them who she is.
Ultimately they come to see that theyll get in trouble for refusing her if she is who she says
so they let her in. The guards argue about who should go get Sansa (Arya is shocked to hear
the news that shes alive and the one in charge while Jon is away) and while theyre arguing
she sneaks away. The guards are with Sansa and tell her what happened, saying theyll find
Arya. Sansa says no need, she knows where Arya went. She goes to find Arya in the crypt
looking at the statue of their father. Sansa tells Arya that Bran is home too but Arya can tell
by how she says it that something is wrong.
Sansa and Arya go to Bran, Bran tells Arya he saw her at the crossroads, thought that she
might go to Kings Landing. Both the girls then spot the Valaryian steel dagger and ask
where he got it, he informs them its from Littlefinger and that he gave it to him because it
was the one that was used to try to kill him after his fall. He then hands it to Arya, saying he
doesnt want it, its worthless for a cripple. Sansa watches the exchange, upset that he
didnt give it to her.
In Dragonstone Davos and Jon are walking along the beach and Davos asks Jon what he
thinks of Dany, hinting that Jon is attracted to her. Jon tells him theres no time to think
about such things. They then see a Greyjoy ship in the distance the ship with Harrag and
Theon Greyjoy. They arrive to shore and Theon asks Jon if Sansa is ok Jon tells him yes
but then pulls him close and tells him what Theon did for her is the only reason hes not
killing him right then and there. They ask him about Yara and when they hear Euron has
her they ask why didnt he take Theon as well? Harrag thinks thats a great question and
looks at Theon waiting for an answer.
Were with Jaime and Bronn and the wagon train during the day at Blackwater Rush. At a
certain point, they hear what sounds almost like a tidal wave, ocean surf crashing but they
are nowhere near a beach. The noise grows louder and the eventually see a swarm of
Dothraki at full gallop charging towards them, screaming for blood. Bronn tells Jaime to go
back to Kings Landing and Jaime says he wont leave his army. Drogon then hurtles down
from the clouds, Dany riding him. She approaches and screams Dracarys
Drogons fire blasts the Lannister line, tons of foot soldiers, mounted officers and wagons
filled with gold and food. Jaime knows they are doomed if they dont do something about
Drogon, he informs all the archers who are left to line up their shots. Arrows whiz towards
Dany, Drogon belly rolls to protect her the arrows bouncing off of his scales like Nerf
darts.
Jaime then realizes that one of Qyburns scorpion weapons is in one of the wagons he
cant shoot it with one hand so he tells Bronn to go get it. On his way to the wagon Bronn
runs into someone who is a better fighter than him. Dickon Tarly ends up saving Jaime.
Bronn ends up hiding in a wagon, the Dothraki soldier eventually finds him and climbs in
with him, once his eyes adjust to the lighting he sees Bronn aiming the scorpion weapon
directly at him he fires and kills him. Bronn then pulls the tarp off of the wagon and
begins to reload the weapon.
Tyrion then walks into view escorted by bodyguards and looks over the entire battlefield.
Were then with Dany on top of Drogon while shes surveying the scene and an eight-foot
bolt whizzes past her head. They realize that Bronn has something that could harm the
dragon. While Bronn is reloading (a job for two men) Drogon starts to head towards him.
Bronn ends up reloading in time and pulls the trigger, the bolt hits Drogon near his
shoulder. Once Drogon comes out of his spin, hes near the wagon and looks back to Bronn.
Bronn is no longer hopeful, he jumps out of the wagon. Drogon immolates the wagon and
the scorpion weapon, Bronn rolls to safety escaping the fire by inches. Dany can tell that
the bolt hit Drogon in a place that hasnt done any real damage.
Jaime has no idea that Tyrion is nearby, hes watching Drogon who has landed near the
river. Dany climbs down and tries to dislodge the harpoon. Jaime can see this happening
and realizes that they are just a few hundred yards away, distracted and vulnerable. Hecould win this war in a single run. The elegiac shots make one thing clear to us: one of our
favorite characters is about to die. But which one? Jaime takes off on his horse, Tyrion
watches Oh you idiot, you ****ing idiot
Dany yanks the harpoon free of the scales and tosses it aside. She then turns and sees Jaime
coming. Drogon then sees him too and as the fire starts coming out of his mouth, Bronn
gallops in and leaps from his saddle, tackling Jaime off of his horse and they both fall into
the river. Underwater surrounded by drowned men floating alongside of them, they look
up to see the flames above the surface. Jaime looks down and sees dead soldiers trapped on
the bottom, the weight of their armor holding them down.
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Bran is already the 3ER. Bran is the main character in the book series, despite what the show might have you believe. The whole story starts with Bran and will likely end with him, too. Remember what Howland Reed's son said? "the raven is you" - he is the 3ER, there is no denying that.
No idea what's in store for Bran, but it's pretty clear that Bran, as the 3ER, is a very strong sorcerer. We've gotten brief glimpses of his power - warging into Hodor when Hodor was still teen, possibly being responsible for the Mad King's...madness, Ned feeling a presence as he takes the steps up the tower, etc.
Bran's greenseeing ability has a massive influence on the past/present, which makes you wonder. Are they stuck in a time loop of sorts (perhaps the defeat from the White Walkers has already happened and the Weirwood tree's powers/3ER is the only remaining connection which allows Bran to travel back in time and re-correct mistakes which have happened or are going to happen)?
Is Bran retroactively warging into these deceased characters and re-influencing the events of time to shape a new future? Seems that way. Now that begs the question, what is Bran's connection to the Night King and the former 3ER? It seems Bran's greenseeing and the Night Kings ability are interconnected, perhaps this is why the Night King can see and touch Bran while he's greenseeing.
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I'm older and who knows if I, or any of us, will make it through the next four episodes before our number is up. May as well scratch my itch while I can.
Another side of it is that I don't get a lot out of watching the show. There are a few actors putting on what I would consider great performance jobs, but the portrayals of several of the POV characters have become really stale. There are huge plot holes in the recent episodes. Also, the whole physics of time and space has gone out the window in order to get the show from one pivotal event to the next. I still watch the show for the action sequences but I don't feel like I'm really depriving myself of any excitement if I read some spoilers or watch preview vids on YouTube.
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As many theories as the books/series generate, I doubt I am the first to think of this but I came up with a new (to me) theory involving the catspaw's dagger.
For background: This would be a season 8 event. Arya seems to have the dagger at the end of season 7. Thanks to Samwell's research, we know that this dagger is extra special having something to do with dragonglass since that is what he was researching when he came across the picture of the dagger. There's a theory out there that the dagger's special property is that it is the only weapon that can kill the Night King. The Night King seems determined to kill the 3ER.
My theory is that something will happen to Bran. Maybe he dies, or maybe her permanently wargs into something else. Arya will take Bran's face and use it in combination with the Catspaw's dagger to kill the Night King.
My theory is that something will happen to Bran. Maybe he dies, or maybe her permanently wargs into something else. Arya will take Bran's face and use it in combination with the Catspaw's dagger to kill the Night King.
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Now that they have story arcs which are intertwining across the kingdoms, it is much harder to show the travel and passage of time with any plausibility but I don't have a problem with suspending my disbelief over that... This is a show with dragons, giants and an army of the dead after all.
What huge plot holes are you referring to?
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My curiosity gets the best of me and I can't help myself. I have to read the spoilers if I come across them. I won't go looking for them. In fact, I started reading the books after I had watched the 1st 2 seasons. I went to the library before I started buying the books, mainly because I'm cheap. But, I couldn't get the books checked out in order so I read book 3, first and then book 2, book 1 and finally book 4 and 5. My point being, although I knew what was going to happen, it didn't ruin it for me, I still enjoyed the books and the TV show. I must admit that the "Red Wedding" episode was a complete shock and I am glad I didn't know about it ahead of time. But, I just read carlos' spoilers for episode 4 and now I am counting the hours until Sunday night, but I was doing that anyway
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Yes. I do not think the accuracy of the spoilers was very high until the reddit subgroup Freefolk published season 6 last year, which turned out to be pretty much spot on. When I heard that they had done the same thing for season 7, I felt like looking so I did.
As for the plot holes, I think if you just Google the subject you'll see the thousands of lists that different people have put together but for the sake of specificity, I'll throw out a few from this season.
How did the Lannister/Tarly army crack into Highgarden so easily and quickly? This is a triple walled, formidable castle that should be very difficult to take even with a small garrison of defenders. As far as we know, Storm's End is still being held by a handful of Stanis Baratheon's men.
Who's in charge of Dorne? Is Dorne nuked off the continent now?
Why was investment in slavery attributed to the Iron Bank of the free city of Bravos? Maybe this is more just a mistake/incongruity with the history than a plot hole but it seems like this is supposed to justify the IB siding with Cersei.
What happened to Edmure Tully? He was in the dungeons at the Twins last season and Arya wiped out the Frey men, so presumably Edmure would be loose and rallying the Riverlands.
Why are the knights of the Vale still at Winterfell? You'd think Cersei knows they helped wipe out her Warden of the North. Why haven't they gone home to prepare for Winter and protect Robin Arynn?
As for the plot holes, I think if you just Google the subject you'll see the thousands of lists that different people have put together but for the sake of specificity, I'll throw out a few from this season.
How did the Lannister/Tarly army crack into Highgarden so easily and quickly? This is a triple walled, formidable castle that should be very difficult to take even with a small garrison of defenders. As far as we know, Storm's End is still being held by a handful of Stanis Baratheon's men.
Who's in charge of Dorne? Is Dorne nuked off the continent now?
Why was investment in slavery attributed to the Iron Bank of the free city of Bravos? Maybe this is more just a mistake/incongruity with the history than a plot hole but it seems like this is supposed to justify the IB siding with Cersei.
What happened to Edmure Tully? He was in the dungeons at the Twins last season and Arya wiped out the Frey men, so presumably Edmure would be loose and rallying the Riverlands.
Why are the knights of the Vale still at Winterfell? You'd think Cersei knows they helped wipe out her Warden of the North. Why haven't they gone home to prepare for Winter and protect Robin Arynn?
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Those aren't really plot holes. Maybe taking highgarden, but we don't know how many people died or how long it took. Or how many people they still had. The only glaring issue is how Euron has managed to do everything from building a giant fleet to sailing around the continent so quickly (although I suppose he could have still had ships at the iron islands).
We may get answers to who will take over in Dorne and the Riverlands. I would say we will probably at least hear something about the Riverlands later this season or next.
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