Hawaii ranked above UT in preseason top 25

#7
#7
those rankings mean nothing it's what you do on the field that counts, i guess it could motivate them.
 
#8
#8
as boise state and rutgers proved last season, records are all that matters in the polls, not who you beat. :nono:

which is basically the guys argument "And with a friendly schedule — all of Hawaii's crucial games are on the islands — the Warriors may do just that"

2007 Schedule
S. 1 Northern Colorado
S. 8 at Louisiana Tech
S. 15 at UNLV
S. 22 Charleston Southern
S. 29 at Idaho
O. 6 Utah State
O. 12 at San Jose State
O. 27 New Mexico State
N. 10 Fresno State
N. 17 at Nevada
N. 23 Boise State
D. 1 Washington

When your two toughest games are against Boise State and Washington (who will likely be the 8th or 9th placed team in the pac-10) you can easily build up a nice record.
 
#9
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droski said:
as boise state and rutgers proved last season, records are all that matters in the polls, not who you beat. :nono:

which is basically the guys argument "And with a friendly schedule — all of Hawaii's crucial games are on the islands — the Warriors may do just that"
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Correct Dr. O. The polls have been trending this way for the last 2 or 3 years now. They look at a schedule and base the preseason rankings on the strength. They did it with West Va last year.

This is good for the WAC, the big east and conference USA, but hurts the bigger conferences.
 
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#10
Lexvol said:
Correct Dr. O. The polls have been trending this way for the last 2 or 3 years now. They look at a schedule and base the preseason rankings on the strength. They did it with West Va last year.

This is good for the WAC, the big east and conference USA, but hurts the bigger conferences.
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hopefully they will lose to lousiana tech or UNLV early (UH tends to play poorly when they have to travel) and then we won't have to hear about them anymore.
 
#12
#12
If we're 20 in all the polls, our chances at a national title hopes are pretty much done before the season starts. Gotta love the polls...
 
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DrRosenRosen said:
If we're 20 in all the polls, our chances at a national title hopes are pretty much done before the season starts. Gotta love the polls...
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This is why a convincing win in the bowl game matters. It's a terrible system, but we're stuck with it for awhile.
 
#15
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DrRosenRosen said:
If we're 20 in all the polls, our chances at a national title hopes are pretty much done before the season starts. Gotta love the polls...
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if you go undefeated you will be in the bcs game. the only undefeated team out there you might not jump is USC.
 
#16
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droski said:
as boise state and rutgers proved last season, records are all that matters in the polls, not who you beat. :nono:

which is basically the guys argument "And with a friendly schedule — all of Hawaii's crucial games are on the islands — the Warriors may do just that"

2007 Schedule
S. 1 Northern Colorado
S. 8 at Louisiana Tech
S. 15 at UNLV
S. 22 Charleston Southern
S. 29 at Idaho
O. 6 Utah State
O. 12 at San Jose State
O. 27 New Mexico State
N. 10 Fresno State
N. 17 at Nevada
N. 23 Boise State
D. 1 Washington

When your two toughest games are against Boise State and Washington (who will likely be the 8th or 9th placed team in the pac-10) you can easily build up a nice record.
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That schdule is awesome!!!!!!
 
#18
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droski said:
if you go undefeated you will be in the bcs game. the only undefeated team out there you might not jump is USC.
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Somebody would probably have to lose. You just never know how the season is going to play out. Auburn goes undefeated and gets left out (largely because of a game against the Citadel); Florida loses one game and squeaks by a couple more, and the Red Sea parts before them to put them in the game. But would be really difficult for any team to jump up from 20 unless the all but one of the contenders in front of them lose.

That said, even talking about it at this point is crazy.
 
#19
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droski said:
as boise state and rutgers proved last season, records are all that matters in the polls, not who you beat. :nono:

which is basically the guys argument "And with a friendly schedule — all of Hawaii's crucial games are on the islands — the Warriors may do just that"

2007 Schedule
S. 1 Northern Colorado
S. 8 at Louisiana Tech
S. 15 at UNLV
S. 22 Charleston Southern
S. 29 at Idaho
O. 6 Utah State
O. 12 at San Jose State
O. 27 New Mexico State
N. 10 Fresno State
N. 17 at Nevada
N. 23 Boise State
D. 1 Washington

When your two toughest games are against Boise State and Washington (who will likely be the 8th or 9th placed team in the pac-10) you can easily build up a nice record.
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With that schedule it will be very easy for them to make a run at a undefeated season. The two hardest games are Boise and Washington, both who will travel to Hawaii to play. Alot of big time teams have found out it's very tough "playing" football on the big island.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Somebody would probably have to lose. You just never know how the season is going to play out. Auburn goes undefeated and gets left out (largely because of a game against the Citadel); Florida loses one game and squeaks by a couple more, and the Red Sea parts before them to put them in the game. But would be really difficult for any team to jump up from 20 unless the all but one of the contenders in front of them lose.

That said, even talking about it at this point is crazy.
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yes but auburn was going against SC and an oklahoma team that many thought was one of the best ever. Florida's whuppen of Ohio State ensures that any undefeated SEC team will get a shot for the next year or two (or until an sec team flames out in a major bowl game). MAYBE an undefeated Michigan or Texas team would get the nod, but i doubt it.
 
#22
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droski said:
yes but auburn was going against SC and an oklahoma team that many thought was one of the best ever. Florida's whuppen of Ohio State ensures that any undefeated SEC team will get a shot for the next year or two (or until an sec team flames out in a major bowl game). MAYBE an undefeated Michigan or Texas team would get the nod, but i doubt it.
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See, I don't know that it does. The tacit rules for human voting will remain the same -- you don't drop after a win, you only fall so many spots when you lose, etc. The computer rankings don't care, unless they've been tweaked to give some kind of a conference bonus or something. So while the prevailing opinion ought to be that an undefeated SEC team ought to be in the game, unless a bunch of voters right at the end of the year were willing to leapfrog Tennessee over another an 11-1 Michigan or Texas team, it wouldn't matter.

That said, there IS a little fluidity at the beginning of the year. I think the only way an undefeated UT team gets into the title game this year is to beat Cal and Florida really impressively -- enough to leapfrog into the Top 10. If that early jump didn't happen, it would be really hard to move up once the polls got more rigid.

I can't believe I'm sitting here even talking about UT going undefeated, though. Hope blossoms in May, huh?
 
#23
#23
Lexvol said:
Correct Dr. O. The polls have been trending this way for the last 2 or 3 years now. They look at a schedule and base the preseason rankings on the strength. They did it with West Va last year.
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I never really understood that mindset. I think it's really bad for college football.
 
#25
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Vercingetorix said:
See, I don't know that it does. The tacit rules for human voting will remain the same -- you don't drop after a win, you only fall so many spots when you lose, etc. The computer rankings don't care, unless they've been tweaked to give some kind of a conference bonus or something. So while the prevailing opinion ought to be that an undefeated SEC team ought to be in the game, unless a bunch of voters right at the end of the year were willing to leapfrog Tennessee over another an 11-1 Michigan or Texas team, it wouldn't matter.

That said, there IS a little fluidity at the beginning of the year. I think the only way an undefeated UT team gets into the title game this year is to beat Cal and Florida really impressively -- enough to leapfrog into the Top 10. If that early jump didn't happen, it would be really hard to move up once the polls got more rigid.

I can't believe I'm sitting here even talking about UT going undefeated, though. Hope blossoms in May, huh?
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Wisconsin ended up being ranked really high last year, didn't they? I don't think at the beginning of the year they had that great of a ranking. If UT goes undefeated, they'll be in the big game. Voters will adjust their ballots to put UT in one of the top 2 spots.
 
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