Have to wonder if Dooley's loss to UK equals Fulmers loss to UCLA in 2008

#51
#51
The KY loss was bad but won't affect Dooley's tenure. Cooler heads are prevailing and he will have time to get better players and improve the team. He has a good start this year and will continue.
 
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#53
26. Year. Streak. The longest in college football. It was the only active record we had left, and it came on the heels of disgrace after disgrace, all season long. It made us the laughingstock of the SEC, cost us a bowl game, split the fanbase and left us with a lame duck coach, player infighting and nothing but negative media.

UK was worse. UCLA, Wyoming, Memphis and Rutgers were embarrassing, but ultimately meaningless. The UK loss has long-reaching repercussions.
 
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#54
LA Vol said:
26. Year. Streak. The longest in college football. It was the only active record we had left, and it came on the heels of disgrace after disgrace, all season long. It made us the laughingstock of the SEC, cost us a bowl game, split the fanbase and left us with a lame duck coach, player infighting and nothing but negative media.

UK was worse. UCLA, Wyoming, Memphis and Rutgers were embarrassing, but ultimately meaningless. The UK loss has long-reaching repercussions.
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2005 ended a 22yr streak to Vandy so it shouldn't be included in the discussion?

Also how was this loss that meaningful compared to one like 96 Memphis? The disparity in talent on that field is still mind-blowing to me
 
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#55
kevol80 said:
Certainty implies you know without a doubt. Kinda hard to compare the two when Fulmer took over an NFL factory and Dooley took over at arguably the roughest point in the program's history. Dooley has lost one game that he was expected to win. IMO Fulmer lost so many that he was expected to win that it made Neyland a lot less scary for our opponents. He did that with no violations looming and no attrition other than what was the norm, arguably on the shoulders of Chief and Cut.

Certanity implies you are sure if you interchange the coaches, Dooley would've done worse in Fulmer's situation and vice versa. If you are sure about that, then your certainty is about as stable as another man's fart in the wind.
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Certainty is the word I used and intended. Thanks for the confirmation that you really don't know much about coaching. HFC's hire the OC and DC. It's part of the job description, but after blaming players for so long, I can see why you Dooley supports would shift to blaming other coaches. At some point, the buck stop on the HFC's desk. Get ready for that reality.
 
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#56
utmba93 said:
Certainty is the word I used and intended.
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You know what else is a certainty? The lack of jr's and sr's on these teams to help out with depth and talent.

You are correct that it will fall on Dooley but the situation he stepped into is very close to or worse than what Majors stepped into in 77.
 
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#57
Bigun said:
The fans reaction to the UK loss this year was reminiscent of the reaction to our loss to UCLA starting the 2008 season.

The team didn't improve and actually regressed as the year went along and we weren't competitive...sound familiar?.....and a change was made.

I could see a similiar scenario next year, as far as a coaching change, if things don't improve.

Dooley's loss to UK cost him at least one year off of the 5 year rebuilding plan and rightly so IMO.
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In the big picture the loss to UCLA being at the beginning of season was worse, the same scenario for the NC State game a bad loss to open season would be brutal.
 
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#58
utmba93 said:
Certainty is the word I used and intended. Thanks for the confirmation that you really don't know much about coaching. HFC's hire the OC and DC. It's part of the job description, but after blaming players for so long, I can see why you Dooley supports would shift to blaming other coaches. At some point, the buck stop on the HFC's desk. Get ready for that reality.
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Thanks for the confirmation that you really don't know much about anything. Have a nice day!
 
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utvolpj said:
2005 ended a 22yr streak to Vandy so it shouldn't be included in the discussion?

Also how was this loss that meaningful compared to one like 96 Memphis? The disparity in talent on that field is still mind-blowing to me
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Absolutely, good point about Vandy. I must have blocked it, like I will try to do about this UK streak.

You're right-- the loss to Memphis blew, and Peyton's probably still shaking his head. The difference, to me, is that Memphis, though in-state, was OOC and not a rivalry game. I view SEC losses on a higher plane of humiliation, and SECE losses that put us dead last in our division and cost us a bowl game as the apex of shame.
 
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#60
At least Fulmer never lost to Kentucky. Maybe Dooley should polish Fulmers National Championship ring for him.
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holtridge said:
At least Fulmer never lost to Kentucky. Maybe Dooley should polish Fulmers National Championship ring for him.
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That's how I feel right about now.
 
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utvolpj said:
2005 ended a 22yr streak to Vandy so it shouldn't be included in the discussion?

Also how was this loss that meaningful compared to one like 96 Memphis? The disparity in talent on that field is still mind-blowing to me
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'05 Vandy had an NFL QB. '11 Kentucky had a WR starting at QB with 2 days of practice.

Ah, what the hell haters, I'll play. The '11 loss is Fulmers fault. Any loss he ever had was worse than losing to Kentucky. So what, the streak ended, 20 out of 48 quarters without a point, last in the SEC East, no bowl. Fulmers 2 BAD years were far worse than this year.
 
#63
#63
Reality-We had all this coming. We as fans expect greatness and were spoiled by 8, 9, and 10 win seasons with Fulmer. Fulmer's lack of ability to finish big games, bowl wins/SEC championships, and typical "play not to lose" scenarios against UF, UGA, others became tiresome, not to mention the playcalling became so predictable. We as fans demanded more. I think it is obvious now that this greed has led to all the problems with UT football currently. It's time to admit some of the problems we are facing now are just our own fault. People like to ***** about everything and we would be doing the same thing with a typical Fulmer season mentioned above. Sad day for UT football when we are now having a tough time competing with UK, South Carolina, and Vandy. How far we have fallen. :(
 
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#66
Was Fulmer partly to blame that we had 4 seniors to take to Lexington that contributed?
 
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