Have to wonder if Dooley's loss to UK equals Fulmers loss to UCLA in 2008

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I didn't know that Fulmer was starting mostly underclassmen vs UCLA or Wyoming... or had lost his best two safeties, best QB, best WR, best LB,... I also didn't know he was playing with a hand dealt to him by two prior coaches- one of which had become lazy in recruiting and discipline and the other more worried about his image than the state of the program.


I am sorry but there is no comparison. NO ONE but Fulmer was responsible in any respect for the loss to UCLA or Wyoming. When Dooley is fielding his own players and loses against someone like UK... then you have a point.
 
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gnm53108 said:
I'd rank it with our 05 loss to vOndy. Horrible season that ended even worse.
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Agreed. The loss to Ky reminded me of the loss to Vandy in '05. We could run the ball at times back then (thanks to Foster), but couldn't throw it much because of Clausen. This year we could throw it at times, but couldn't run it.

Also, both were end of the season and that was when Fulmer started to get into trouble. Same goes for Dooley. This loss cost him some points with people that were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's on a shorter leash now.

The loss to Wyoming in '08 was because of a dead team and coach walking.

The loss to Memphis in '96 was inexplicable. I was there and I'll never forget that horrendous choke job.
 
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Bigun said:
The fans reaction to the UK loss this year was reminiscent of the reaction to our loss to UCLA starting the 2008 season.

The team didn't improve and actually regressed as the year went along and we weren't competitive...sound familiar?.....and a change was made.

I could see a similiar scenario next year, as far as a coaching change, if things don't improve.

Dooley's loss to UK cost him at least one year off of the 5 year rebuilding plan and rightly so IMO.[/QUOTWhen You all find a very good coach that will stay at UT at least long enough to get our talent level to competetive with the upper crust of the SEC please post that name.
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When you all find a very good coach that will stay at UT at least long enough to get our progarm competetive with the upper crust, please post that name, i know no leading prepostions
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Agreed. The loss to Ky reminded me of the loss to Vandy in '05. We could run the ball at times back then (thanks to Foster), but couldn't throw it much because of Clausen. This year we could throw it at times, but couldn't run it.

Also, both were end of the season and that was when Fulmer started to get into trouble. Same goes for Dooley. This loss cost him some points with people that were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's on a shorter leash now.

The loss to Wyoming in '08 was because of a dead team and coach walking.

The loss to Memphis in '96 was inexplicable. I was there and I'll never forget that horrendous choke job.
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I see 08 and 96 as you do too.

Damn I get mad just thinking about that 96 memphis game....is it miller time yet?
 
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The L to Memphis was astounding, and probably cost us a shot at, at least a share of the National Title. But the season had been really good up to that point (only 1 , and that L to UF) and the season ended very well, so Fulmer was able to survive that one.

The L to UCLA was an awful way to start the season, but had UT performed better from that game throughout the remainder of the season, that game would not have been quite as bitter.

The L to Wyoming was the game that got Fulmer fired. Period. Last Straw.

Now, how can we categorize the UK loss?
vs the Memphis L - We were not good before the UK loss, and won't finish good after, so IMO bad comparison.
vs the UCLA L - We were not able to finish well in either case, so this is better. The major difference is 1st game of season compared to last game of season. IMO, not a good comparison either.
vs the Wyoming L - The game that sealed the fate of a coach in the eyes of the fans and boosters. Of all the comparisons, this one could be the equivalant.

Just my thoughts.
 
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preacherwebb said:
The L to Memphis was astounding, and probably cost us a shot at, at least a share of the National Title. But the season had been really good up to that point (only 1 , and that L to UF) and the season ended very well, so Fulmer was able to survive that one.

The L to UCLA was an awful way to start the season, but had UT performed better from that game throughout the remainder of the season, that game would not have been quite as bitter.

The L to Wyoming was the game that got Fulmer fired. Period. Last Straw.

Now, how can we categorize the UK loss?
vs the Memphis L - We were not good before the UK loss, and won't finish good after, so IMO bad comparison.
vs the UCLA L - We were not able to finish well in either case, so this is better. The major difference is 1st game of season compared to last game of season. IMO, not a good comparison either.
vs the Wyoming L - The game that sealed the fate of a coach in the eyes of the fans and boosters. Of all the comparisons, this one could be the equivalant.

Just my thoughts.
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If memory serves CPF was fired right before the Wyoming game.
 
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triadvolfan said:
If memory serves CPF was fired right before the Wyoming game.
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I can't say I remembered that before you reminded me.

Man enough to say I was wrong in my post.

Never mind what I said about Wyoming being the L that cost Fulmer his job. My bad (pats chest and shakes head).
 
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preacherwebb said:
I can't say I remembered that before you reminded me.

Man enough to say I was wrong in my post.

Never mind what I said about Wyoming being the L that cost Fulmer his job. My bad (pats chest and shakes head).
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It did validate that the decision was the right one tho.
 
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utmba93 said:
Not much evidence at this point to support a view that Dooley is a better coach than Fulmer.

Unless, of course, you'd care to share it.
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Nothing to compare. One's a coach, one isn't.
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VOODOOVOL said:
Nothing to compare. One's a coach, one isn't.
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You're right. Fulmer is sitting at home collecting checks while Dooley is coaching this team from the black hole that was formed when Fulmer stopped caring.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
You're right. Fulmer is sitting at home collecting checks.
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There's not a damn one of us that wouldn't do the same thing in his shoes. It wasn't his choice to draw that money.

It constantly blows my mind why our fan base keeps beating up the greatest living coach in UT history.
 
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Fed said:
There's not a damn one of us that wouldn't do the same thing in his shoes. It wasn't his choice to draw that money.

It constantly blows my mind why our fan base keeps beating up the greatest living coach in UT history.
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I wasn't beating him up. He served his time here, and it was appreciated. What irks me is the people who won't let go.
 
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Spectator said:
The loss to UK was worse. Period.
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and an exclamation mark or three. Fifty years of watching and that loss is way worse than when my baby sister wooped my butt manyyyyy moons ago. Still feel good about our future but cringe everytime a family member(OleMiss\MS State fans) has thrown it in my face :ermm: :whistling:

Go Big Orange
 
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that game is a painful memory. i was a card carrying fulmerite until i sat through that fiasco. by rights, the vol scout team should have beaten the bruins that year.
 
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Fed said:
There's not a damn one of us that wouldn't do the same thing in his shoes. It wasn't his choice to draw that money.

It constantly blows my mind why our fan base keeps beating up the greatest living coach in UT history.
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He is also the reason the program is a **** hole right now.
 
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