Have Bama fans started the "Fire DeBoer" thread yet?

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Bearkat_Vol said:
I believe they will owe him $60 million payable through 2031 if he is fired on 12/1.
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Kalen DeBoer buyout, contract details as Alabama coach in Year 2

The second-year Crimson Tide coach continues to get off to a rocky start replacing Nick Saban
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That's $10 million per year, plus assistant coaches, new coach, and new staff.
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Don't forget a lot of those assistant coaches have buyouts too. Then you have to factor in buying out another top level coach. Let's say Dabo wants it. He'd be the cheapest at 7.5 m due to the Bama clause in his contract. Then you have to buy a whole new roster to replace the exodus of players you inevitably would have faced in the portal. That factor alone, along with the NIL situation at Bama, is probably going to deter most good prospects.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Don't forget a lot of those assistant coaches have buyouts too. Then you have to factor in buying out another top level coach. Let's say Dabo wants it. He'd be the cheapest at 7.5 m due to the Bama clause in his contract. Then you have to buy a whole new roster to replace the exodus of players you inevitably would have faced in the portal. That factor alone, along with the NIL situation at Bama, is probably going to deter most good prospects.
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What exactly is Alabama’s NIL situation? I’ve heard they half half the budget of OSU and Texas.
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
What exactly is Alabama’s NIL situation? I’ve heard they half half the budget of OSU and Texas.
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There's no way to know concretely what their NIL situation is but you can tell by context clues that it's not nearly as good as, well, the teams they are consistently losing players to. Heck they lost a RB who really could have helped them this year to FSU! He helped FSU beat them instead! But AJ McCarron did suggest it's half of what the teams spending 30-40 million are spending.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
There's no way to know concretely what their NIL situation is but you can tell by context clues that it's not nearly as good as, well, the teams they are consistently losing players to. Heck they lost a RB who really could have helped them this year to FSU! He helped FSU beat them instead! But AJ McCarron did suggest it's half of what the teams spending 30-40 million are spending.
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So they were getting the Saban discount.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
There's absolutely no question. Sort of like Kentucky when Cal was there and Cal still couldn't put together a roster that compared to his past ones. Similarly Saban started to fall off at the end of his tenure.
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Saban's 2 post-NIL recruiting classes (2022 and 2023) were ranked 2nd and 1st in the country. Alabama finished 5th in the country in 2022 and 2023, beat UGA to win the SEC in 2023, and made the CFP in 2023. 2023 was probably one of the best coaching jobs he did the entire time he was there.

I know "Saban saw what was coming and dipped" is a popular narrative, but the program wasn't declining at all when he left. I think people forget that he was 71 years old.
 
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05_never_again said:
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Saban's 2 post-NIL recruiting classes (2022 and 2023) were ranked 2nd and 1st in the country. Alabama finished 5th in the country in 2022 and 2023, beat UGA to win the SEC in 2023, and made the CFP in 2023. 2023 was probably one of the best coaching jobs he did the entire time he was there.

I know "Saban saw what was coming and dipped" is a popular narrative, but the program wasn't declining at all when he left. I think people forget that he was 71 years old.
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Eye-test showed that Alabama wasn't quite the same team on the line of scrimmage. They struggled to get through several games in 2023 (heck, we probably should have beaten them) and then lost flat to Michigan. I am not sure why Georgia choked to them that year.

Saban's coaching carried them in 2023 IMO but the players just didn't look as good. 2022 Alabama defense had issues and 2023 Alabama line of scrimmage play wasn't the same. This has transitioned over into the DeBoer era.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Eye-test showed that Alabama wasn't quite the same team on the line of scrimmage. They struggled to get through several games in 2023 (heck, we probably should have beaten them) and then lost flat to Michigan. I am not sure why Georgia choked to them that year.

Saban's coaching carried them in 2023 IMO but the players just didn't look as good. 2022 Alabama defense had issues and 2023 Alabama line of scrimmage play wasn't the same. This has transitioned over into the DeBoer era.
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I think that was just the normal ebb and flow of his program. He had various "lulls" during earlier years further back in his tenure. He lost 3 regular season games in 2010, which was his worst finish in the AP Poll excluding his first season. He lost to Ole Miss two years in a row in 2014 and 2015, and Ohio St was much better than them in the CFP in 2014. In 2019 he lost to a 3-loss Auburn team he shouldn't have when they still had a chance to sneak into the CFP.

I've always thought it was interesting that he didn't win a national title with by far the most 2 dynamic QBs he had (Tua and Bryce Young) as the primary starter.

He went 21-3 in SEC play the last 3 seasons he was there. If that's falling off, I mean...
 
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05_never_again said:
I think that was just the normal ebb and flow of his program. He had various "lulls" during earlier years further back in his tenure. He lost 3 regular season games in 2010, which was his worst finish in the AP Poll excluding his first season. He lost to Ole Miss two years in a row in 2014 and 2015, and Ohio St was much better than them in the CFP in 2014. In 2019 he lost to a 3-loss Auburn team he shouldn't have when they still had a chance to sneak into the CFP.

I've always thought it was interesting that he didn't win a national title with by far the most 2 dynamic QBs he had (Tua and Bryce Young) as the primary starter.

He went 21-3 in SEC play the last 3 seasons he was there. If that's falling off, I mean...
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Loom at the scores in 2023, they were surviving games that they would win by 3 to 4 TDs a few seasons ago. 2023 Arkansas is an example. Maybe it was a lull like you said but the conversations had already started in 2022. I was at the 2021 SEC Championship game and I was shocked at how big the Georgia linemen appeared to be against Alabama.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think that was just the normal ebb and flow of his program. He had various "lulls" during earlier years further back in his tenure. He lost 3 regular season games in 2010, which was his worst finish in the AP Poll excluding his first season. He lost to Ole Miss two years in a row in 2014 and 2015, and Ohio St was much better than them in the CFP in 2014. In 2019 he lost to a 3-loss Auburn team he shouldn't have when they still had a chance to sneak into the CFP.

I've always thought it was interesting that he didn't win a national title with by far the most 2 dynamic QBs he had (Tua and Bryce Young) as the primary starter.

He went 21-3 in SEC play the last 3 seasons he was there. If that's falling off, I mean...
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Even Bama fans have commented on how Saban's last year he was clearly falling off. I saw one guy blame him for the current situation.
 
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There’s been a couple of stories that did not seem to catch on about Bama’s supposed best player, WR Ryan Williams, and his “odd” behavior. Bama as a team was soft against the Noles. Some are saying they’ve got internal discontent with Williams. Seems like Williams insists on painting his fingernails in flashy colors and you can view for yourselves on YouTube his insistence on bringing his stuffed toy dinosaur with him on his walk into the stadium. He also his last few games including against the Noles developed alligator arms on plays where contact was imminent.

Seems his teammates are embarrassed with his behaviors and they along with the entire coaching staff don’t know how to approach him to “man up” for fear how he’ll react as in go to the media. He must be a primaDonna or as they used to say on Seinfeld “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”😆😆😆😆😆
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Even Bama fans have commented on how Saban's last year he was clearly falling off. I saw one guy blame him for the current situation.
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That's some pretty big copium there.

I don't think they want to admit that the reason they were so good for so long is because Nick Saban was their coach, not because "they are Alabama."
 
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