Have a feeling this is going to rustle some feathers...

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wait wait wait...you say peyton choked b/c of an intentional grounding, but the D didn't because of a complete breakdown in the 4th?

ANd you can hardly blame the 2nd into on Manning, as he put the ball where it needed to be, and his receiver didn't catch it, and let it bounce up into the air for an int.

Shouldn't Vanderjackt have been able to hit the 52-53 yarder? Or was it the coaching that choked for having them punt. Which led to a failure in coverage and the D sucking...
 
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(jwells @ Dec 18 said:
wait wait wait...you say peyton choked b/c of an intentional grounding, but the D didn't because of a complete breakdown in the 4th?

ANd you can hardly blame the 2nd into on Manning, as he put the ball where it needed to be, and his receiver didn't catch it, and let it bounce up into the air for an int.

Shouldn't Vanderjackt have been able to hit the 52-53 yarder? Or was it the coaching that choked for having them punt. Which led to a failure in coverage and the D sucking...
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It would have been a 55-56 yard field goal...Vanderjagt's long is 54 and from 50-54 he is only 14 for 21 in his career. From 30-39 he is 60 for 65. Difference between a 66% shot and a 93% shot.
 
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(PineyBluff Vol @ Dec 18 said:
You evidently saw the game. I suppose you could make the play laying on your back. Or perhaps you thought the lineman played as well as they could. And by all means lets say that the defense put forth one of their finer efforts. Evidently you don't know football or you have something against one of the best Qbs to ever play. Perhaps also you thought he was deserving of the Heisman. You problably thought that dweeb deserved it. :twocents:
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Refer to my previous posts citing how well the Colts defense played against San Diego...Without the defense, the Colts don't even score 10 points.
 
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(Rocky Top @ Dec 18 said:
So now all the anti- Colts fans have enough of a boring life they're not only trolling the Colts boards but the Vols too. It's pretty easy to trash a guy that is 13-1... what losers!
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You might want to check my name there, Rocky Top. It's kptVOL. Notice V-O-L. See, it's short for Volunteer. It's sort of a standard nickname. Maybe you've heard it before. Think hard.

I'm not an anti-Colts fan, I'm just pointing out that Peyton's supporting cast isn't so hot. Thus, Peyton playing less than exceptional means they don't do well. I like the Colts, and I wish they'd won and were 14-0. I'm just saying it isn't Manning's fault they lost. Still, a 13-1 season is about as impressive as they come.

The Colts defense gave up over 200 yards rushing, most of which was to LT's backup. Not too impressive. I still say Peyton played pretty well considering the defense was in the backfield the whole game.
 
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Lord, he had 336 yards passing. That loss wasn't all on Peyton.
 
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(kptvol @ Dec 18 said:
You might want to check my name there, Rocky Top. It's kptVOL. Notice V-O-L. See, it's short for Volunteer. It's sort of a standard nickname. Maybe you've heard it before. Think hard.
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I'll have to back him on this, if it's the same guy from Sportsline. He has taken a lot of abuse there.

As for Peyton choking, it seems people only say he can't win the big games when he loses. I think beating the Pats this season was a HUGE win in his career. However, everyone says they are down and it wasn't that big.

Also sonofa, don't discount the SEC champ win he had, or the Bama streak-breaker or the ownage of UGA. All of those were big time accomplishments, but I guess not big enough since he won them.
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
Not at all, and let me lay this out for you very clearly so that you can pick up on it. NFL players play to win the Super Bowl. The steps one must make to get to that pinnacle are first: securing a spot in the playoffs, second: winning the first round of the playoffs, third: winning the divisional playoff game, fourth: winning the conference championship, and finally: winning the Super Bowl. Being Super Bowl champions guarantees the teams place in history. Manning can't win a game in which the greater significance of the game is deciding that his team is the best (ever, that year, etc,) that was his problem with Florida, Nebraska, and that was his problem today against San Diego. Peyton Manning is one of the least clutch athletes I have ever watched.
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Wait, wait, wait......let me get this correct. This is coming from the same person that has defended 2, 3, and 4 loss seasons. Perhaps flipping this to the college side you have college players playing to win the NC. There is the expectation from the fans along the same lines as well. Let's replace Manning with the man you seem sworn to no other purpose in life but to defend, Fulmer. Fulmer can be equated with similar arguments. He cannot win the big games. He cannot consistently beat the big teams and first off guarantee a shot at the SEC title, much less the NC. So by the same conditions wouldn't your own argument fail against the man you constantly defend?

Fulmer is one of the least clutch coaches I have ever watched......that is said by your own standard.
 
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(utvolpj @ Dec 18 said:
I'll have to back him on this, if it's the same guy from Sportsline. He has taken a lot of abuse there.

As for Peyton choking, it seems people only say he can't win the big games when he loses. I think beating the Pats this season was a HUGE win in his career. However, everyone says they are down and it wasn't that big.

Also sonofa, don't discount the SEC champ win he had, or the Bama streak-breaker or the ownage of UGA. All of those were big time accomplishments, but I guess not big enough since he won them.
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The ownage of UGA was big in the mid 90s??? I guess someone forgot to inform you that they weren't even ranked in 2 out of the 3 games that Peyton squared off against them. I already discussd why I discounted that SEC championship game. The Pats game this year was not huge, it will be huge when they play again in the playoffs though. I also love how everyone on this board cites Fulmers weakness as his record against Top 10 teams (38%) then they try to say that Manning won big games in college when his record against the top 10 was only 28%. You can't have it both ways.
 
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(CSpindizzy @ Dec 18 said:
Wait, wait, wait......let me get this correct. This is coming from the same person that has defended 2, 3, and 4 loss seasons. Perhaps flipping this to the college side you have college players playing to win the NC. There is the expectation from the fans along the same lines as well. Let's replace Manning with the man you seem sworn to no other purpose in life but to defend, Fulmer. Fulmer can be equated with similar arguments. He cannot win the big games. He cannot consistently beat the big teams and first off guarantee a shot at the SEC title, much less the NC. So by the same conditions wouldn't your own argument fail against the man you constantly defend?

Fulmer is one of the least clutch coaches I have ever watched......that is said by your own standard.
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Fulmer has won a NC, Manning has won neither a NC or a Super Bowl Championship. Also, 119 teams competing for the NC in college, 32 in the NFL.
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
Fulmer has won a NC, Manning has won neither a NC or a Super Bowl Championship. Also, 119 teams competing for the NC in college, 32 in the NFL.
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with all he's reloaded with that one NC should be more. If not that, the SEC titles should be more....wait, even the appearances should be more. It doesn't matter how many compete on each level. Schedules are compatible. Number of games are compatible. You still haven't addressed the fact that Fulmer can't handle the clutch situations either. Three game losses, even two game losses, and even one for that matter, don't win NC's. They don't always get you trips to Atlanta either.
 
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This has gone from a Peyton chokes thread to another Fulmer discussion. Amazing...
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Dec 18 said:
This has gone from a Peyton chokes thread to another Fulmer discussion. Amazing...
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...and neither of them make any sense.
 
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without football this place becomes the friggin wwe.


600 person battle royal.

every man for himself.




(man there were alot of damn bama fans at the titans game today. they will follow that idiot alexander anywhere.)
 
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I'm not trying to flip this to a Fulmer discussion or trying to make a point. I'm trying to understand this guy's logic. it goes one way for some people and the other way for other people. It's called a double standard.

I'm like CBC. This topic could disappear and not be missed.
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
Its not amazing at all. Since last week they clinched home field advantage, this was the first game the Colts were playing to achieve perfection (i.e. the first game the Colts have played to be recognized as the greatest team in NFL history, or at least tied.) So, week 14 was the first game the Colts were playing to go undefeated. Peyton Manning cannot handle that kind of pressure, and never has been able to.
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I'm still trying to figure out why anybody would "rustle" feathers.
 
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(CSpindizzy @ Dec 18 said:
I'm not trying to flip this to a Fulmer discussion or trying to make a point. I'm trying to understand this guy's logic. it goes one way for some people and the other way for other people. It's called a double standard.

I'm like CBC. This topic could disappear and not be missed.
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What part of it is a double standard? I have repeatedly stated that if and win Peyton Manning wins the Super Bowl, I will admit that I have been wrong about him the whole time. Fulmer has his national championship already (the same amount of AP championships that Neyland has!)
 
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We (including me) should be ashamed of our self. We let this flamer do what he wanted, get attention for his lack of football knowledge. I'm done with this thread.
 
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