Haslam and His Money

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If the Haslam's decided not to give to UT the University would suffer greatly.
 
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Hubbard said:
You may get a mixed response to your post, but I will say that I appreciate your vulnerability.

I like the creativity but, in reality, most pledges would be made from fading emotion and not from fiscal ability.

The future of any such donations could not be depended upon in the same manner as the donations made by the Haslam's.

You have identified the driving force behind the power of the Haslam's. It is just not easy to replace, much less in an ongoing fashion.
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Disagree. We can let them continue dictating things and be content with current status quo.. which is a terrible athletic department in general and the university constantly embarrassing itself. Or we could get out of out own way. There has been numerous financial evaluations of Alabama since Saban started winning big. The president for FAU said earlier this year that applications were up like 20% and credited it to Lane because nothing else had changed. TN applications spiked after the 98 National Championship.

What I'm arguing is. If we move away from the Haslam's to competent leadership resulting in more success then the university and athletic department will make-up their money in quantity over time. It will also see an uptick in donations from people that currently can but do not. People on the fringe of buying season tix that currently do not but would then. Maybe even bring back some other big boosters that no longer give as much to TN because of the current situation. We're already a top level revenue AD, imagine what we'd be doing if we actually won.

TN can survive without the Haslam's. We dont have to have them and at what point will we face the reality that the sacrifices made for having their money is not worth it? Both in athletics and academics. I bet the Haslams would still give too. The social pressures would be too large in their circles not too.
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Anyone clamoring for UT to pull the Haslam's power has no clue how big money works. Its not just the fact that they donate 50-100 million yearly. Its the fact that they have money on tap that UT can use at any point that it might be needed. Now do I think that they are somewhat a cancer when it comes to calling the shots on coaches yes. Although at the end of the day you know who is calling the shots. If you don't like it being done this way then I guess find a new university. Its not changing.
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$50-$100M a year... they'd give their entire fortune away pretty quickly at that rate. Need to lower that down to maybe $1M/yr, maybe.
 
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jackcrevol said:
Repetetive thread is repetitive.
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Well, like I mentioned, I didn't mean to revive this as an active thread, I just linked to it to reference a discussion I had a year ago. I do apologize for resurrecting a zombie, it really wasn't my intention.

Just seemed to start going in both threads.
 
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TN_Transplant said:
Well, like I mentioned, I didn't mean to revive this as an active thread, I just linked to it to reference a discussion I had a year ago. I do apologize for resurrecting a zombie, it really wasn't my intention.

Just seemed to start going in both threads.
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Someone please shop Haslam as a brain eating Zombie for Halloween! Or better yet, make a power T with him eating our brains!! so poetic.
 
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I completely see the incompetence of the Haslams within our University, but honestly, why do we need to talk about it as much as we do?
 
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coors40light said:
All this discussion will be a mute point when Bill Haslam becomes the next president at UT.
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Lord, I pray that doesn't happen, even though I'm afraid you are right. We might as well shutdown the program if that happens. I won't be able to bear the sight of what my beloved Vols will become.
 
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jps2194 said:
For argument's sake, let's say Haslam wasn't part of the picture for the last 10 years since Fulmer was fired. What would be different? I presume you think he has too much influence over coaching decisions (which I agree with by the way). What coach do you think would have been hired instead of Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, Pruitt? Outside of a couple of coaches (e.g., Saban, Meyer), there is no sure thing out there so I'm not 100% convinced our situation would be drastically different.
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Someone with a better memory would have to chime in but I believe Kevin Sumlin wanted the job at one point. There was another more successful coach that was also denied by Mike Hamilton when he chose Kiffin.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Someone with a better memory would have to chime in but I believe Kevin Sumlin wanted the job at one point. There was another more successful coach that was also denied by Mike Hamilton when he chose Kiffin.
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EZE said:
Gary Patterson.
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If I remember correctly both Sumlin and Patterson said "thanks but no thanks." A lot was made of that article last year where Patterson said he had dinner with UT people and he said he could tell they had already decided on Kiffin, but in that same article he said he's never been close to leaving TCU. However, he clearly was talking to Tennessee about the job, and I bet a competent AD would have been able to secure him.

Clearly though, the mistake that caused the downfall was hiring Kiffin. Tennessee was in a position to hire a big-name coach at that point.
 
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GRN1926 said:
$50-$100M a year... they'd give their entire fortune away pretty quickly at that rate. Need to lower that down to maybe $1M/yr, maybe.
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Obviously that was an exaggeration. Probably closer to 3-5 mil a year. Then every once in a while they hit with a 20-50 mil "improvements" donation. Either way UT is not getting rid or away from Haslam. Why would they?
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
Obviously that was an exaggeration. Probably closer to 3-5 mil a year. Then every once in a while they hit with a 20-50 mil "improvements" donation. Either way UT is not getting rid or away from Haslam. Why would they?
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Because the requirement of that money is to let then control major decisions. Look at what has become of TN since that has happened. A revolving door of presidents and chancellors. Embarrassment or an athletic departmant that once won the presidents cup as the best overall AD. There more important things than money. Like the overall success of the university for one
 
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05_never_again said:
If I remember correctly both Sumlin and Patterson said "thanks but no thanks." A lot was made of that article last year where Patterson said he had dinner with UT people and he said he could tell they had already decided on Kiffin, but in that same article he said he's never been close to leaving TCU. However, he clearly was talking to Tennessee about the job, and I bet a competent AD would have been able to secure him.

Clearly though, the mistake that caused the downfall was hiring Kiffin. Tennessee was in a position to hire a big-name coach at that point.
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The reports I’ve read say that Hamilton didn’t take Patterson seriously, and Patterson felt dissed... and that led to Patterson basically blowing UT off in subsequent searches (and there have been a few).
 
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