Has Butch had his "Signature Win"

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CBJ has done a great job. We are winning and we can be proud of the culture. Our players are great role models for kids.
I view a signature win as one that moves your program forward. It enables you to recruit players that you may have otherwise missed on. With that definition we have had several signature wins.
The SEC east is not the strongest division but it is not complete trash either. How bad can our program be when we can play with teams in the top ten. Forget the so called loosing streak to top ten teams. That is in the past , it is irrelevant and for the most part not on coach Jones.
As for playing scared. CBJ knows his team better than any fan does. If he takes a knee, or puts the game on the defense, it's because that was the best bet to win. CBJ know his statistics. This is much better than making an emotional decision.
 
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PowerOrange said:
How is South Carolina not a signature win? They finished #4 in the nation and had a chance to play in the national championship if not for losing to Tennessee. Them not being in the top 10 when we played is just arbitrary bull****.
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Seriously, this right here. Spurrier spent years building up that SCAR team and that was his last shot at winning it all. For all that Spurrier took away from the Vols in his years coaching, it makes me happy to know that his last 2 championship level teams didn't get a shot because of the Vols.
 
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Wylo said:
It's the only thing relevant, I agree.

But this discussion started on signature win, then shifted to Butch being 0-for his tenure here vs top 10 teams. That is real.

I'm not one of the people wanting to jump off a cliff about this season. This had been a good year for Tennessee.

The A&M loss still angers me because of the lack of discipline, but the Alabama game was just a combination of Butch being Butch and Bama being better and healthier.

Butch won't beat Saban. Butch plays too conservative to pull that one off, in my opinion. That's okay for now, because so many other things are done well.
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There are 13 SEC coaches other than Saban. 3 have beaten him. 10 have not. Only 1 coach has beaten him multiple times. Outside of the SEC Saban destroys big name coaches and teams on the regular.

There isn't going to be a coach that beats Saban a lot. Freeze bought the teams that beat him and once the NCAA is done they will vacate those wins and the recruiting sanctions will return them to a regular 4-8 team.
 
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08Vol said:
There are 13 SEC coaches other than Saban. 3 have beaten him. 10 have not. Only 1 coach has beaten him multiple times. Outside of the SEC Saban destroys big name coaches and teams on the regular.

There isn't going to be a coach that beats Saban a lot. Freeze bought the teams that beat him and once the NCAA is done they will vacate those wins and the recruiting sanctions will return them to a regular 4-8 team.
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And this is why some coaches steer clear of the openings in the SEC. Just look who SC and Georgia ended up with - coaches and/or assistants from the SEC.

When Saban retires, it will probably be different but for now, most don't want to have to play him yearly.
 
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08Vol said:
There are 13 SEC coaches other than Saban. 3 have beaten him. 10 have not. Only 1 coach has beaten him multiple times. Outside of the SEC Saban destroys big name coaches and teams on the regular.

There isn't going to be a coach that beats Saban a lot. Freeze bought the teams that beat him and once the NCAA is done they will vacate those wins and the recruiting sanctions will return them to a regular 4-8 team.
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I am agreeing with you. I just said that Butch doesn't have the attitude to beat Saban. Most teams that beat Bama are aggressive. When was the last time a conservative team beat them? I truly don't remember.

But I also see that Butch can beat any other team in the east. He just has to figure out how to best western division team.
 
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Wylo said:
It's the only thing relevant, I agree.

But this discussion started on signature win, then shifted to Butch being 0-for his tenure here vs top 10 teams. That is real.

I'm not one of the people wanting to jump off a cliff about this season. This had been a good year for Tennessee.

The A&M loss still angers me because of the lack of discipline, but the Alabama game was just a combination of Butch being Butch and Bama being better and healthier.

Butch won't beat Saban. Butch plays too conservative to pull that one off, in my opinion. That's okay for now, because so many other things are done well.
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explain please
 
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I don't know. Just from this year, the Georgia and Florida games are two of my favorite memories all-time of Tennessee football. Yeah, maybe those two teams don't ultimately end up being ranked super high at the end of the season, but if I go with my gut, then yes, those are easily signature wins. (Honestly, having a hard time remembering a game I enjoyed more. ND in the 90's, maybe. National championship was certainly amazing, but that wasn't as dramatic a game.)
 
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Wylo said:
This isn't my argument. The narrative would be that Tennessee beat "then #1 Alabama."


Where the team ends up is irrelevant to the game at the time it's actually played.
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Beat a better team...signature win.
 
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We beat Florida and Georgia in the same year, making it back-to-back seasons on beating Georgia, and OP is asking if Butch has had his signature win.

How soon we forget begging to get to six wins. We aren't working our way back. We're back. We've been ranked all year. We're likely SEC East champsion. ****ing enjoy it.
 
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Nocleats said:
Is this leading to one of those "he hasn't beat Bama" posts? I think everyone is forgetting just what a train wreck he inherited just 4 years ago.. with what Kiffin ran off, then Dooley didn't recruit, the Vols were in worse shape than a team that had been on a SEVERE 4 Year Probation. And has had to do it in the SEC with his permanent West Division SEC game being Alabama, who very well could win the Natty for the 3rd time in 4 years......
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What's really tragic is that Dooley's last offensive line was head and shoulders above anything we've fielded since. We had a very solid offense in 2012 that was handicapped by the worst UT defense of the millennium, the exact opposite of some of the more harrowing seasons under Fulmer. :banghead2:
 
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Wylo said:
I am agreeing with you. I just said that Butch doesn't have the attitude to beat Saban. Most teams that beat Bama are aggressive. When was the last time a conservative team beat them? I truly don't remember.

But I also see that Butch can beat any other team in the east. He just has to figure out how to best western division team.
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I would argue Les was a conservative coach that would call a crazy play every now and then.

Butch is modeling himself and his whole approach after Meyer (black stripes, circle of life drill, run first hurry up offense with a mobile QB). The main difference is Meyer went into the Big10 when the conference was down and established OSU as the program to beat. This meant he got the best recruits and was able to make his team look a lot better than it actually was early on.

If Butch is ever going to beat Bama it will be by recruiting 4 and 5 star players and keeping them healthy. Our starting 22 are better than Bama's 22 this year, the difference is they just lost their first starter due to injury and we are a walking mash unit.
 
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