Has anyone read this?

[KnoxKDX]

Phil's an easy target because he's at a big name school, doesn't spar with the media too much, and has the same mediocre season year in and year out.

 

[utvolpj]

Phil's an easy target because he's at a big name school, doesn't spar with the media too much, and has the same mediocre season year in and year out.

Yep, mediocre seasons his whole career. :blink:

 

[hatvol96]

In the same post you blasted Cut, and blew Weis. Weis wouldn't hire a guy if he didn't think the guy was right for the job, if you think he is a BAD coach (Weis) then fine, but you gotta take it one way or the other. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. Either A)Weis doesn't know what he's doing and he can't see coaching talent, b/c coach Cut sucks. OR B)Weis is the great coach everyone gives him credit for, and coach Cut is a man that he wants on his staff, which goes to say Cut is a good coach. Pick one or the other, you can't have both.

Not an accurate portrayal of my point. Cutcliffe does a good job coaching the technical, fundamental aspects of the game. To a coach like Weiss, who is extremely innovative on his own behalf, that is valuable. To a coach with the creativity of a rock, like Fulmer, those skills don't add much.

 

[VolBeef88]

Absolutely not. I don't think Pearl is an insincere, pompous, oleagenous oaf. I like him.

Let him have a bad year and you and others will turn on him like a bowl of bad soup.
Fact is you don't like CPF. But I and most others don't think CPF is a "insincere, pompous, oleagenous oaf" like you haters do. He is a very good coach and a hell of a guy. I am proud we have a coach that is not what you said. I think he is a respectful guy who is boring to reporters because he doesn't Spurrier off at the mouth about others teams. His former players are as loyal to him as they could possibly be. I have spoken to many, many of them and they all sing his praises. I think that speaks louder than a hater who can't see past a bad year.

 

[VolBeef88]

Not an accurate portrayal of my point. Cutcliffe does a good job coaching the technical, fundamental aspects of the game. To a coach like Weiss, who is extremely innovative on his own behalf, that is valuable. To a coach with the creativity of a rock, like Fulmer, those skills don't add much.

By the way just a question for you. Did you by accident leave out an E on the end of you name? Did you mean for it to be "hatevol96"?

 

[rwemyss]

Not an accurate portrayal of my point. Cutcliffe does a good job coaching the technical, fundamental aspects of the game. To a coach like Weiss, who is extremely innovative on his own behalf, that is valuable. To a coach with the creativity of a rock, like Fulmer, those skills don't add much.

I'll take your word for it Hat, that the Fulmer-Cut-Chavis equation is doomed to be unsuccessful, I mean, look at what they did in the past as a coaching staff!!! :biggrin2:

 

[hatvol96]

Let him have a bad year and you and others will turn on him like a bowl of bad soup.
Fact is you don't like CPF. But I and most others don't think CPF is a "insincere, pompous, oleagenous oaf" like you haters do. He is a very good coach and a hell of a guy. I am proud we have a coach that is not what you said. I think he is a respectful guy who is boring to reporters because he doesn't Spurrier off at the mouth about others teams. His former players are as loyal to him as they could possibly be. I have spoken to many, many of them and they all sing his praises. I think that speaks louder than a hater who can't see past a bad year.

Ask Gibril Wilson, Dante Stallworth and Kelly Washington how much they love him. Carl Pickens left a year early when Fulmer ws OC to get away from his stifling bs sysytem. Cost Carl alot of money, due to the fact he didn't go in the 1st round. That's how much he loves Fulmer.

 

[VolBeef88]

Ask Gibril Wilson, Dante Stallworth and Kelly Washington how much they love him. Carl Pickens left a year early when Fulmer ws OC to get away from his stifling bs sysytem. Cost Carl alot of money, due to the fact he didn't go in the 1st round. That's how much he loves Fulmer.

Pickens is a great example of a team player "hate". Nice example, I mean hell he was liked on every team he "played" for in the NFL huh?!

 

[rwemyss]

Ask Gibril Wilson, Dante Stallworth and Kelly Washington how much they love him. Carl Pickens left a year early when Fulmer ws OC to get away from his stifling bs sysytem. Cost Carl alot of money, due to the fact he didn't go in the 1st round. That's how much he loves Fulmer.

Did you just use KELLY WASHINGTON as a source as to the character of Fulmer as a coach?!?!!?!?! C'mon Hat! You're smarter than that... that guy is not on my list of "guys that have good character."

 

[hatvol96]

Did you just use KELLY WASHINGTON as a source as to the character of Fulmer as a coach?!?!!?!?! C'mon Hat! You're smarter than that... that guy is not on my list of "guys that have good character."

Why because he's not some boring, suck up to the fans, redneck like Shuler or Manning?

 

[rwemyss]

No, because he is all about MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME. The first year he played WR, he was just learning, and was a team player... the next year all he did was talk about how he was "The Future" and then didn't back it up on the field, while doing exactly what Dodd is saying Fulmer does, pointing the finger at everyone else.

Interesting to read you call Peyton a "redneck".

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Why is it that any reporter who points out anything negative about our team is biased against UT? There are two kinds of sports reporters, guys who just report the facts and guys who like to stir the pot and create some news. The article really did not say anything that was not already posted on this board hundred of times by irate UT fans. The mistakes and disappointments of last season are not going to disappear from history. The closer we get to September the more we will hear and read rehashing of how bad UT was in 2005, accompanied by various analyses of the team's ability to rebound in 2006. I know it's going to be hard for some people to stomach but that's the way it's going to be. Just like some of us who wish Mike Hamilton had the gonads to fire CPF at the end of the season have had to just accept that it ain't gonna' happen.

 

[hatvol96]

No, because he is all about MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME. The first year he played WR, he was just learning, and was a team player... the next year all he did was talk about how he was "The Future" and then didn't back it up on the field, while doing exactly what Dodd is saying Fulmer does, pointing the finger at everyone else.

Interesting to read you call Peyton a "redneck".

I think anyone who hangs out with the likes of Kenny Chesney on a regular basis earns that label. And probably a couple of others I won't mention here.

 

[rwemyss]

Why is it that any reporter who points out anything negative about our team is biased against UT? There are two kinds of sports reporters, guys who just report the facts and guys who like to stir the pot and create some news. The article really did not say anything that was not already posted on this board hundred of times by irate UT fans. The mistakes and disappointments of last season are not going to disappear from history. The closer we get to September the more we will hear and read rehashing of how bad UT was in 2005, accompanied by various analyses of the team's ability to rebound in 2006. I know it's going to be hard for some people to stomach but that's the way it's going to be. Just like some of us who wish Mike Hamilton had the gonads to fire CPF at the end of the season have had to just accept that it ain't gonna' happen.

Are you trying to say that Dodd isn't one of the "guys who like to stir the pot" ?!?!?!?! Have you just never read the guy before, or just made a poor argument? I gurantee you that Dodd writes to stir the pot...

 

[hatvol96]

Pickens is a great example of a team player "hate". Nice example, I mean hell he was liked on every team he "played" for in the NFL huh?!

Jeff Blake and Corey Dillon love the guy. As for the other guys he played with in Cincy, they're by and large no talent stiffs, so who gives a damn what they think? As for Fulmer, if he's such a great guy, why do such a large number of his peers have thinly veiled contempt for him?

 

[rwemyss]

Jeff Blake and Corey Dillon love the guy. As for the other guys he played with in Cincy, they're by and large no talent stiffs, so who gives a damn what they think? As for Fulmer, if he's such a great guy, why do such a large number of his peers have thinly veiled contempt for him?

:lol: :lol: I know he wasn't there when Pickes was, but Washington plays for Cincy. :biggrin2:

And on Fulmer... I think that Spurrier honestly and truly loves the guy, that's why he pokes at him all the time. JMO, I know most would disagree.

 

[hatvol96]

:lol: :lol: I know he wasn't there when Pickes was, but Washington plays for Cincy. :biggrin2:

And on Fulmer... I think that Spurrier honestly and truly loves the guy, that's why he pokes at him all the time. JMO, I know most would disagree.

Tim McGee was there before Pickens. The Bengals obviously value UT receivers.

 

[rwemyss]

Tim McGee was there before Pickens. The Bengals obviously value UT receivers.

I was playing more on the "no talent hacks" comment, but ok. :biggrin2:

 

[RealVol]

Again, I don't see one thing the reporter wrote that hasn't entered UT minds. At least the ones that have seen our offense headed toward ground zero for a number of years

I do hate that Fulmer did not make needed corrections prior to hitting allowing his squad to hit the dirt. This season should be a most interesting one for all.

If you ask me, there is absolutely no one else to blame other than CPF for UT's crash. Question is just how good a pilot is he to get us airborne again?

 

[shawnb82]

I can tell by his preseason top 5 that he is a know nothing guy!

 

[Smokefatty]

Again, I don't see one thing the reporter wrote that hasn't entered UT minds. At least the ones that have seen our offense headed toward ground zero for a number of years

I do hate that Fulmer did not make needed corrections prior to hitting allowing his squad to hit the dirt. This season should be a most interesting one for all.

If you ask me, there is absolutely no one else to blame other than CPF for UT's crash. Question is just how good a pilot is he to get us airborne again?

My main problem with the article was not what he said, but the conclusions that he draws from Fulmer's quote. If you look at it in context (which of course Dodd doesn't do), Fulmer seemed to be saying that the players assumed they were so talented they didn't need to be fundamentally sound. That's a far cry from him saying that his players aren't talented. Coaches all over the country say crap like this all the time to try to keep their players grounded and focused. I don't consider it "throwing them under the bus."

I found this quote more disturbing:

"What could I have done better?" he said. "It was like you didn't have enough fingers to put in all the holes in the dike, to be honest with you. It was different things at different times."


How could a coach look back at a season like this and not think you could do any better? I have a much bigger problem with this than the quote used in the article.

 

[VolBeef88]

Jeff Blake and Corey Dillon love the guy. As for the other guys he played with in Cincy, they're by and large no talent stiffs, so who gives a damn what they think? As for Fulmer, if he's such a great guy, why do such a large number of his peers have thinly veiled contempt for him?

Because he kicks their butts in recruiting and on the field and is nice while doing it. As far as Pickens goes? He is known as an ass by NFL players, coaches and analysts. Great athelete, sorry attitude towards the game and life.

 

[VolBeef88]

My main problem with the article was not what he said, but the conclusions that he draws from Fulmer's quote. If you look at it in context (which of course Dodd doesn't do), Fulmer seemed to be saying that the players assumed they were so talented they didn't need to be fundamentally sound. That's a far cry from him saying that his players aren't talented. Coaches all over the country say crap like this all the time to try to keep their players grounded and focused. I don't consider it "throwing them under the bus."

I found this quote more disturbing:

"What could I have done better?" he said. "It was like you didn't have enough fingers to put in all the holes in the dike, to be honest with you. It was different things at different times."
How could a coach look back at a season like this and not think you could do any better? I have a much bigger problem with this than the quote used in the article.

The quote you don't like is a coach not wanting to throw players under the bus. He was not going public with criticism actually. Great tap dancing and one that the players appreciate Im sure. He knows what the issues were but not going to air dirty laundry. I actually appreciate it. He has taken full responsibility both to the team and to the fans (which is actually very rare in todays coaching world and shows how much he appreciates the fans). He has made major changes to correct the issues. Now lets see if it works. I think it will. Or at least I really hope it does.

 

[VolBeef88]

Why is it that any reporter who points out anything negative about our team is biased against UT? There are two kinds of sports reporters, guys who just report the facts and guys who like to stir the pot and create some news. The article really did not say anything that was not already posted on this board hundred of times by irate UT fans. The mistakes and disappointments of last season are not going to disappear from history. The closer we get to September the more we will hear and read rehashing of how bad UT was in 2005, accompanied by various analyses of the team's ability to rebound in 2006. I know it's going to be hard for some people to stomach but that's the way it's going to be. Just like some of us who wish Mike Hamilton had the gonads to fire CPF at the end of the season have had to just accept that it ain't gonna' happen.

You should have said the stupidity to fire CPF not gonads. You and other emotionally driven fans (if you had your way) would drive our program in the dirt very quickly. And I guess you don't read the KNS if you think that about reporters. Hell CPF and UT are kicked most weeks last year and deservedly so. But what Dodd did was not the same. Cheap shots by a guy who clearly does not like UT. If you have not read him much I can understand you. But I read him regularly to keep up with other teams. Dodd took cheap shots. The quote CPF made was not throwing players under the bus at all and I guarantee you the team won't think so either.

 

[hatvol96]

Because he kicks their butts in recruiting and on the field and is nice while doing it. As far as Pickens goes? He is known as an ass by NFL players, coaches and analysts. Great athelete, sorry attitude towards the game and life.

Really, a friend of mine owns one of the most successful sports bars in the Natti. Pickens was there with a cadre of teammates on a regular basis. As I said, he and Blake were exceptionally close. Boomer Esisason had no problem with him when he came back to the Bengals. The only people in Cincy who really had problems with him were the worthless defensive players that he properly ripped in the media and a couple of overefficious parking attendants. I knew Carl at UT and through mutual aquaintances in Cincy, I think he's a stand up guy.