Hart's Critisim of Dooley hurting Recruiting?

[Ericvol2096]

Give me a second here. I know yesterday wasn't the end of the world but us losing D. Jacobs and Autry got me thinking about what could have caused these two players to switch so suddenly...besides a bag man.

I feel that Hart's public critisim of Dooley early last week will be an issue for Dooley to overcome in recruiting. Before when other teams were dirty recruiting us saying that Dooley was going to be on the hot seat next year ect, the only ammo they had was message board fodder.

And even though we all KNOW that Dooley is going to need to win next year to keep his job, he could tell the recruits that he was going to be there for the long haul and that the University was committed to him longterm to turn the ship around.

Well after Hart comes out and essencially tells the world that Dooley and the staff kicked the bucket (of lightbulbs) against Kentucky and that he is going to have to show significant improvement next year or else, now the teams have legit proof for their claims to these recruits.

I am sure this isn't as big of a deal as I am making it out to be but, I feel like Hart could have waited till after signing day to publicly critize Dooley and the staff. JMO.

What say ye?

 

[Cartervol]

Not sure if it was anymore than telling everyone we'll have a standard here and losing to Kentucky isn't up to it.

 

[bignewt]

If recruits shy away from us because of dirty tactics from another coach, then said recruits have low IQ's and we do not want them. Thats the only way I see it used against us, I doubt recruits are reading Hart's comments and most if not all would not know who Hart is, but thanks for putting this out there for other schools to print and show recruits in an easy to read, condensed format.

 

[tvols75]

Give me a second here. I know yesterday wasn't the end of the world but us losing D. Jacobs and Autry got me thinking about what could have caused these two players to switch so suddenly...besides a bag man.

I feel that Hart's public critisim of Dooley early last week will be an issue for Dooley to overcome in recruiting. Before when other teams were dirty recruiting us saying that Dooley was going to be on the hot seat next year ect, the only ammo they had was message board fodder.

And even though we all KNOW that Dooley is going to need to win next year to keep his job, he could tell the recruits that he was going to be there for the long haul and that the University was committed to him longterm to turn the ship around.

Well after Hart comes out and essencially tells the world that Dooley and the staff kicked the bucket (of lightbulbs) against Kentucky and that he is going to have to show significant improvement next year or else, now the teams have legit proof for their claims to these recruits.

I am sure this isn't as big of a deal as I am making it out to be but, I feel like Hart could have waited till after signing day to publicly critize Dooley and the staff. JMO.

What say ye?

I think you read a lot more into it than what was actually meant.

 

[DaddyChad]

Give me a second here. I know yesterday wasn't the end of the world but us losing D. Jacobs and Autry got me thinking about what could have caused these two players to switch so suddenly...besides a bag man.

I feel that Hart's public critisim of Dooley early last week will be an issue for Dooley to overcome in recruiting. Before when other teams were dirty recruiting us saying that Dooley was going to be on the hot seat next year ect, the only ammo they had was message board fodder.

And even though we all KNOW that Dooley is going to need to win next year to keep his job, he could tell the recruits that he was going to be there for the long haul and that the University was committed to him longterm to turn the ship around.

Well after Hart comes out and essencially tells the world that Dooley and the staff kicked the bucket (of lightbulbs) against Kentucky and that he is going to have to show significant improvement next year or else, now the teams have legit proof for their claims to these recruits.

I am sure this isn't as big of a deal as I am making it out to be but, I feel like Hart could have waited till after signing day to publicly critize Dooley and the staff. JMO.

What say ye?

I say most kids with a brain know Dooley has to show significant improvement next year without Hart saying it.

 

[Volunfear]

I think you are dead on. Anytime you publicly critisize you're team from within, it really has people on the fence. There is no reason to come out and give your rivals tools to recruit against you. I mean, WTF?! You have the son of a Hall of Famer that has been around football his entire life. Most of these coaches pan out, especially when you throw in a law degree. Dooley, prior to this small fall out, was well on his way to finally getting the depth we so desperatly lack....but then Hart comes out and basically ruins Dooley's work of showing recruits that Tennessee is for life and that the Dooley Staff is here for these players for the long haul....way to EFF it up Hart!!!

 

[Cartervol]

Damn guys you really can't go around acting like everything is peachy. They've had 4 out of 5 losing seasons. The coach has done absolutely nothing except recruit decently. So yeah teams are going to use that against us. It was nothing more than a interview and little if anything was said that you can take from it.

One thing is certain, this AD didn't hire Dooley. So yeah screw the pooch next year and i'd be dialing up my realtor.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

I say most kids with a brain know Dooley has to show significant improvement next year without Hart saying it.

Said kids must believe deep in their gut that:

A. They love everything U.T. and simply want to be a VOL Dooley or no Dooley.

B. Believe their given presence on the team will be the "X" factor that turns it around for Dooley and Co.

C. See's significant opportunity to play early & often and simply don't care who the HC will be in 2013.

D. Knows the current A.D. is responsible for hiring Saban to Alabama so trusts the next coach will be a world beater :crossfingers:

 

[gnm53108]

If we lose any recruit because of our expectations of winning then I say good ridence.

 

[ob79]

Hart didn't say anything last week that other SEC coaches weren't already saying; and that's that Dooley might not be around very long.

And just for clarity's sake, I don't think Hart inferred one way or the other how long Dooley's tenure would be here...

 

[Ericvol2096]

If recruits shy away from us because of dirty tactics from another coach, then said recruits have low IQ's and we do not want them. Thats the only way I see it used against us, I doubt recruits are reading Hart's comments and most if not all would not know who Hart is, but thanks for putting this out there for other schools to print and show recruits in an easy to read, condensed format.

They don't have to have low IQ's to fall for a coaches dirty recruiting tactics...its called using logic. Before Hart came out and said what he did the other coaches had nothing but fan disappointment and unrest to point to.

Now they can print an article with quotes directly from the Athletic Director (Dooley's Boss) and say look even his boss is saying that unless they really improve next year he is going to be gone. So why go there when you can come here where I have full support from my faculty.

It just provides more ammunition for Dooley to have to fight against, IMO.

 

[LynxVol]

I think you read a lot more into it than what was actually meant.

This. I've read the article, and Hart said nothing that was remotely threatening to Dooley's job.

 

[Cartervol]

The school sells itself. Take Dooley out of it and they'd still be in the top 25 in recruiting. There are very few places that can offer what Tennessee can and that's a fact. Now the main problem is the teams we need to beat can.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Hart didn't say anything last week that other SEC coaches weren't already saying; and that's that Dooley might not be around very long.

And just for clarity's sake, I don't think Hart inferred one way or the other how long Dooley's tenure would be here...

I agree but the fact that he did openly critisize him and say that we need to see marked improvement is much more concrete evidence for the other coaches to show than just them saying themselves without anything to back it up.

Just like in court, a Lawyer can claim a hundred times over that a person committed a crime, but when he has direct testimony from someone who saw the crime then his argument carries much more weight.

 

[GBOVOLS]

It doesnt make recruits stupid for listening to what others coaches say. Who says CDD isnt using dirty strategies. Im sorry Hart was honest and up front like he should have been. It not his job to Breast feed CDD. If he doesnt want to loose his job he better get his troops ready.

 

[1allvol]

Crazy talk. I dont think Hart really said anything that would scare recruits away...really he just reinforced what most of us hoped he would, there is a standard at UT and high expectations for our football team, losing to Kentucky doesnt meet those standards...a 5-7 season is never acceptable...making bowl games every year is expected...nothing wrong with that IMO. If i remember correctly, he also stated that he understood it was going to take time and he had confidence in CDD and his staff, so im not sure how any of that would "scare" a recruit away. Truth is, every coach in todays world is always on the "hot seat", all it takes is one bad season.

 

[Ericvol2096]

This. I've read the article, and Hart said nothing that was remotely threatening to Dooley's job.

To me it put a seal of approval on all the fan unrest.

I know he didn't directly say if Dooley doesn't go 9-3 next year he is gone, but it did just certify that he failed this year and he has a lot of pressure on him next year.

And once again I know that it was easy to see that before, it just seems like it wasn't neccessary until after signing day.

 

[tvols75]

I agree but the fact that he did openly critisize him and say that we need to see marked improvement is much more concrete evidence for the other coaches to show than just them saying themselves without anything to back it up.

Just like in court, a Lawyer can claim a hundred times over that a person committed a crime, but when he has direct testimony from someone who saw the crime then his argument carries much more weight.

Saying there need to be improvement is not criticism. We went 5-7 and a loss to UK, of course the AD is going to say there needs to be improvement.

 

[KCVol]

Idiots

 

[Ericvol2096]

It doesnt make recruits stupid for listening to what others coaches say. Who says CDD isnt using dirty strategies. Im sorry Hart was honest and up front like he should have been. It not his job to Breast feed CDD. If he doesnt want to loose his job he better get his troops ready.

I agree, but he doesn't need to directly make that goal harder to attain either. IMO.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Saying there need to be improvement is not criticism. We went 5-7 and a loss to UK, of course the AD is going to say there needs to be improvement.

But why does he have to say anything at this point? It was almost a month removed from the game, why couldn't it have waited till after signing day?

 

[tripper]

Eric, why don't you pull out some quotes from his interview to support your thesis. I think if you go back and read it you may not have the same view. But right now your generalizing.

 

[tvols75]

But why does he have to say anything at this point? It was almost a month removed from the game, why couldn't it have waited till after signing day?

I just don't see the criticism you are speaking of from that article. It was actually a really good article.

 

[gnm53108]

To me it put a seal of approval on all the fan unrest.

I know he didn't directly say if Dooley doesn't go 9-3 next year he is gone, but it did just certify that he failed this year and he has a lot of pressure on him next year.

And once again I know that it was easy to see that before, it just seems like it wasn't neccessary until after signing day.

I just dont get it.

If I was going to work for a company and that company's leadership failed I would expect em to bring in new leadership. Thats basically what AD Hart said. We expect to win and if coach Dooley is not able to do that then we will find you a coach that will.

 

[LynxVol]

To me it put a seal of approval on all the fan unrest.

I know he didn't directly say if Dooley doesn't go 9-3 next year he is gone, but it did just certify that he failed this year and he has a lot of pressure on him next year.

And once again I know that it was easy to see that before, it just seems like it wasn't neccessary until after signing day.

It said he failed this year? IMO, all it said was he's a very competitive person, he was pi$$ed we lost to UK, and we should expect better. CDD is going to feel the pressure the most next year, but there's been pressure on him since he walked in the door.