Hart striking Out?

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VolunteerbyBirth said:
The football search was a botched search. The fact that we were publicly turned down by multiple coaches (not including Jon Gruden) was embarrassing. When conducting a coaching search it is much better to keep you cards hidden in order to not embarrass yourself and to not give any other potential candidates leverage if your top choice does not work out. If Butch Jones turns out to be successful, it will not be because he was Dave Hart's top choice but because he lucked into him. This search is following a similar pattern and therefore does not give me confidence that Dave Hart will make a good hire.
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You obviously haven't followed many college coaching searches. Very very few college AD's get their first, second or sometimes third choice. Being turned down isn't embarrassing and besides that half of what we hear isn't true. Maybe White was unreasonable in his requests who knows. It's next to impossible to keep a coaching search "hidden" when most of the coaches interviewed are not going to keep quite. You really think hart is calling the media updating them on his every move?
 
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SeniorDrill said:
This forum is worse than a new reporter trying to get his first scoop. The very reason Dave Hart made this a one man search was to keep the details private. I guess he figured that was the only way he could do it. Nobody knows anything except him. He probably is letting all these media concocted rejections of UT run their course just to say in the end none of them are true. Do you really think he is leaking the fine details of contracts and why a coach rejected them? If you do, there is a nice bridge in Brooklyn for sale dirt cheap!
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By the way, 10 or more good coaching years left!!!
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I like Byrd but that's an old pic. I see coach Casey Alexander in the background. He's been gone a few years. I would not be disappointed but 10 years may be steep.
 
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LifeisO&W said:
Just the one where he ended up hiring the 4th or 5th option in Butch Jones. (I like Butch, but he wasn't number one on the list). Some would argue he had every chance in the world to hire a Super Bowl winning coach and didn't want him. Of course, that's just hearsay.
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What would you call USC's coaching search. I know Stark was way down the list around 7th.
 
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Hart has not botched anything yet. There are ALOT of coaches across the country who could win at Tennessee and fall into Hart's ideal candidate category. Hart did not agree to what White wanted. That is why they call it a coaching "search" and it's a multi part process, and not called a coaching "selection". I'm confident Hart will find UT a good coach. He's doing what is best for UT. As much as some fans feel there is no budget when hiring a new coach, there is. Better facilities, better fields, stadium and campus beautification projects, new dorms, it all costs $$ and almost always comes from the athletic budget.

I picture some fans headed to the Ferrari dealership strutting around the lot and test driving 3-4 300,000.00 rides. When the salesman asks them what they are looking to spend, they tell him around 18,000.00. The salesman then points them across the street to the Honda dealership. "But that's not what I want sir". After all, he had bought a Ferrari T shirt and keychain at JC Penny. :dunno:
 
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vols1389 said:
So the search for Butch Jones was a failure? Maybe it's just me, but a coaching search is a failure one of two ways:

The Dooley search where no one will say yes, or having to overpay for someone that isn't a good fit.

I just don't think you can say a search is a failure just by the fact you don't get the top guys on the list. I honestly see Tyndall as almost a basketball version of Butch, great personality. If you could get him and he wins then no way this search is botched.
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We all like CBJ. But don't be fooled– Hart didn't get CBJ, he ended up with CBJ.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
For the record its easy for the other party to leak it after they decline the job or whatever. It looks good to your current team, fans, boosters, etc... when you can say a major conference school wanted me but no thanks!
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First...I have seen no official statements of the sort you are referring to. Second...it works both ways. A coach who has never been contacted but was rumored to have been could say "I'm not interested" to garner the same effect you are suggesting while not technically lying.

It isn't like the sports media or the fans care to fact check. It's just all about what feeds a popular narrative.
 
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VolunteerbyBirth said:
The football search was a botched search. The fact that we were publicly turned down by multiple coaches (not including Jon Gruden) was embarrassing. When conducting a coaching search it is much better to keep you cards hidden in order to not embarrass yourself and to not give any other potential candidates leverage if your top choice does not work out. If Butch Jones turns out to be successful, it will not be because he was Dave Hart's top choice but because he lucked into him. This search is following a similar pattern and therefore does not give me confidence that Dave Hart will make a good hire.
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I don't think you can call that a botched search than, maybe poor ability to keep information a secret, but not a botched coaching search. I'd rather people say no and we make a right hire rather than our first candidate say yes and not work out (i.e. Rich Rod at Michigan).
 
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I don't know who is better, Hart or Hamilton. I mean Hamilton was a genius that did great things for our program. Hart is doing a spectacular job with UT athletics. Under his tutelage UT has ascended back up to being the powerhouse we used to be.
 
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volholio said:
I like CBJ ok, but he's not proven to me he can coach. Whatever the hell that was at Florida was something, but it was not coaching.

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But winning 4 championships in 6 years isn't proven??? Give me a break. Our team was TERRIBLE last year.
 
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Looks like Hart had no plan, replacement, or list of target coaches to replace CCM. Maybe he will get lucky again like he did with Butch Jones( I hope so). I am not saying anything bad about Coach Jones at all, only pointing out that Hart got lucky and now after he blamed the fans for CCM leaving it appears he does not have a clue who or how to hire a new basketball coach. I said this in another thread and I will say it again, Hart will not last very much longer!!!
 
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DownTheField said:
We all like CBJ. But don't be fooled– Hart didn't get CBJ, he ended up with CBJ.
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Give credit where it is due. Rarely, do institutions get their initial target. A good AD hires a successful coach regardless. That happened with Butch Jones and honestly, CBJ could not have been a better fit. Dave Hart is looking out for the University of Tennessee and he WILL NOT hire a coach and have him bolt in year 2 or 3 of the contract. He's better than that. Dave Hart is doing his due diligence in this search and he's done a fine job at UT thus far. Reading the posts on this site make it seem like we're playing a video game or something. Let the process play out, and be patient.
 
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daj2576 said:
First...I have seen no official statements of the sort you are referring to. Second...it works both ways. A coach who has never been contacted but was rumored to have been could say "I'm not interested" to garner the same effect you are suggesting while not technically lying.

It isn't like the sports media or the fans care to fact check. It's just all about what feeds a popular narrative.
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It was just showing that a leak of decline doesn't necessarily have to come from our side as OP insinuated.
 
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lilesrt said:
Give credit where it is due. Rarely, do institutions get their initial target. A good AD hires a successful coach regardless. That happened with Butch Jones and honestly, CBJ could not have been a better fit. Dave Hart is looking out for the University of Tennessee and he WILL NOT hire a coach and have him bolt in year 2 or 3 of the contract. He's better than that. Dave Hart is doing his due diligence in this search and he's done a fine job at UT thus far. Reading the posts on this site make it seem like we're playing a video game or something. Let the process play out, and be patient.
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Well said. It's a process and there are limitations if the fans want to believe that or not.
 
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GLDunlap said:
You obviously haven't followed many college coaching searches. Very very few college AD's get their first, second or sometimes third choice. Being turned down isn't embarrassing and besides that half of what we hear isn't true. Maybe White was unreasonable in his requests who knows. It's next to impossible to keep a coaching search "hidden" when most of the coaches interviewed are not going to keep quite. You really think hart is calling the media updating them on his every move?
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Hidden was maybe not the best word because you are correct in that it is almost impossible to have a completely hidden coaching search. You can however be discreet and these searches have been anything but. Having coaches publicly turn down your offer to stay at smaller schools is not common among the top tier schools.

You are also correct when you say that AD's rarely get their top choice. However those rejections are rarely public rejections. Unfortunately, this seems to be a common occurrence for a Dave Hart conducted search.
 
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