Hart striking Out?

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#176
AllVolinGA said:
I remember that awkward looking hug. I have read a couple of times about Martin's family being harassed. Is that truth or just propaganda being spread? If true, then it is really sad. If not true, then the ones spreading those type of lies should confess. Either way, it was time for him to go, as he did not want to be here. But the idea of thousands of UT fans marching on Martin's house with pitchforks and torches is a little silly.
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I don't know, and I didn't imply that there was any Bill Battle type stuff...

I never had a problem with a petition, other than it should happen after the season played out, which is the same way I felt when Hamilton changed his stance on Pearl the day of the first round NCAA game. Why would you do that to the players? In this case, I felt the same...The players are the ones that have to carry the burden, answer the questions, block it out...

I hope we don't do that again, whether it's the admin or the fanbase,

People say it doesn't do any damage, I whole heartedly disagree. It hurts recruiting and it most certainly hurts the brand.
 
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Lefteye said:
It fits the UT fans suck and UTAD hasn't paid in the past so Hart must also be cheap agenda. Funny cause the same folks that spew recruits see VN are the ones downing the program now.
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Fighting a losing battle my friend
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
You saw how quickly AU's AD moved... Fired the coach before he even got back home from the SEC tournament, and Had Pearl hired just a few days later.
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Just to bring you up to date on the facts, the AU AD knew long beforehand that they were going to fire their coach and they already had their search underway with polished offers ready and Pearl already in the crosshairs. In contrast, Hart (and the rest of the UT world) was caught completely unaware as CCM had just voiced his intent to stay at UT. We cannot compare the current UT situation with AU's situation.
 
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Pearl was the rare white bengal tiger. A game changing coach that didn't have a job. Like Cal when Memphis hired him and Pitino when Louisville hired him.

Great coaches with jobs are far less likely to leave for another job. I guess we could try and throw 3 million at Marshall. But it'd be a big risk at that level of money. Smart has turned down 3 million from both UCLA and Marquette in the past two years. Who else is likely to move for that that is worth 3 million dollars, keeping in mind that is a top 10 in the country salary, generally enjoyed by NCAA title winning coaches with but a few exceptions.

The other options are to drop down a few pay grades and go after guys that we seem to be targeting. If that guy is a winner, he'll get extended and paid. Much like Pearl was. Pearl's last contract extension in 2009-10 put him at 2.3 million per season, which would be 14th in the NCAA today. I wish people would stop repeating the lie that we won't pay a basketball coach, when the exact opposite has been shown. We'll pay a winning coach a top 20 in the nation salary. We were going to put Zo around 25th in the country while getting results and recruiting over 3 years that didn't reflect a top 25 coaching job.
 
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Here are the coaches who appear to be making north of 3 million, all these guys have gotten raises to get there for succeeding at their school except for Calipari.

Thad Matta 3.1 million - 5 Big 10 titles, 4 Big 10 tourney titles, championship game, final four, 275-83 at Ohio State. Matta is the only 3 million dollar coach without an NCAA title.

Tom Izzo 3.7 million - NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Billy Donovan 3.7 million - Multi-NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Bill Self 5 million - NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Rick Pitino 5 million - Multi-NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

John Calipari 5.4 million - NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Coach K 7.2 million - Multi-NCAA champion, multiple final fours.


Now, does Gregg Marshall deserve to be in that group of coaches? I guess we'll see if anyone is willing to pay him that at any point. I'm honestly shocked someone was willing to offer it to Smart. I can't blame Dave Hart for not wanting to go to 3 million to get a coach, unless it's one of the coaches that are very close to what we see above. There aren't many of them out there though.
 
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Rudy123 said:
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! With Mike White from La. Tech, we get a coach whose team did well in the N.I.T. the past two seasons.

I have been telling everyone that we would get a coach from the N.I.T. tourney. An up & comer for a cheap price.

Once he gets success, Hart will not pay him, so he will take his services elsewhere. He will outgrown the paycheck that U.T. is willing to give him......
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Because that is what always happens, right?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Pearl was the rare white bengal tiger. A game changing coach that didn't have a job. Like Cal when Memphis hired him and Pitino when Louisville hired him.

Great coaches with jobs are far less likely to leave for another job.
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Sounds like we should take Howland on. He fits those criteria, easily.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Here are the coaches who appear to be making north of 3 million, all these guys have gotten raises to get there for succeeding at their school except for Calipari.

Thad Matta 3.1 million - 5 Big 10 titles, 4 Big 10 tourney titles, championship game, final four, 275-83 at Ohio State. Matta is the only 3 million dollar coach without an NCAA title.

Tom Izzo 3.7 million - NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Billy Donovan 3.7 million - Multi-NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Bill Self 5 million - NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Rick Pitino 5 million - Multi-NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

John Calipari 5.4 million - NCAA champion, multiple final fours.

Coach K 7.2 million - Multi-NCAA champion, multiple final fours.


Now, does Gregg Marshall deserve to be in that group of coaches? I guess we'll see if anyone is willing to pay him that at any point. I'm honestly shocked someone was willing to offer it to Smart. I can't blame Dave Hart for not wanting to go to 3 million to get a coach, unless it's one of the coaches that are very close to what we see above. There aren't many of them out there though.
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Good post, it puts a solid perspective on just throwing money out to throw money out may not be the best idea. Hart choosing not to do it IMO says a lot about Hart and in a good way. If your going to pay your coach like a top 5 coach, he needs to be darn near 100% a sure thing. Sure thing being NCAA champion discussion every year. IMO the names on the board, are just not of that caliber. Now if Izzo felt like making a change and his agent had contacted Hart would I like to see Hart possibly throw out a 4+ million dollar offer? Sure I would. IMO there is a chance Hart would possibly make that call as you know what your getting for the money. Choosing to overpay for a coach so that it looks good on paper or maybe ranks your coaching salaries a bit higher on the board is just bad business and would likely keep UT where it's been for quite a while and that is fighting to stay out of the poor house. IMO Hart knows what he is doing. He'll do what is best for Tennessee.
 
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TGVol said:
UT did not work at keeping him. Hart should have publicly supported him during they whole year (and have his back during the petition instead of conveniently jumping on the bandwagon at the end of the year). It's hard to blame CCM for not trusting him at that point.
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Martin must have had the most fragile ego in the history of college coaches based on the way some of you talk about him.

He left because of an online petition.

He left because Hart didn't fluff his ego enough.

He left because a 1/2 million dollar raise and being one of the top 30 paid coaches in America wasn't enough.

He left because Pat Forde, an obvious expert on race relations being from Colorado, says the SEC is racist.

How about this: he left because he knew he had by far his worst team on paper coming in next season and he knew his value to cash in would never be higher after that tournament run?

Had Hart supported him publicly during his third underwhelming season in a row, you would've probably b-tched about him givng Martin the "dreaded vote of confidence" as well.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Not to be a chicken little, but I am starting to get worried with how long this is dragging out. Should we be hearing more by now? Is Hart striking out with candidates?:no:

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Please tell me this isn't what Hart is hearing out there? :blink:

Reading the national media you get the impression that no one wants this job....:cray::sick::angry:

I don't understand it with our fan attendance record and facilities. Is there any good news out there with the search?
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What's it been, like 5 days? No worries. Screw the national media. They got no clue. Hart's gonna make a good hire IMO. Gonna get a good up and comer....Michael White.
 
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#187
You guys want to blame someone for the A list guys not having interest in the program?

How about good ol' upstanding "tougher breed" him self? Martin left this program in no better shape than he found it.

He managed to wade through the NCAA mess and that is it. A 100 other coaches could have managed that.

A source told CBSSports.com that UT has informally contacted some "A-list" candidates but that the interest hasn't been mutual. Another source told CBSSports.com that at least one potential candidate expressed no interest mostly because Tennessee's roster is in bad shape given that the Vols are losing four of their top five players from a Sweet 16 team
 
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Volnut said:
Wasn't the hiring of Derek Dooley a pretty quick one?
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That had to be very quick hire because it was 3 weeks before the signing. Dooley actually did excellent job at that early stage since he was able to get Hunter and D Rogers.
Now we have a similar situation where if you want to try to salvage the next class you have to hire quickly.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why would anyone want that?
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Because he was the top 5 coach in the SEC during the 3 years he was here. Proved his recruiting ability by getting Stokes and Hubbs and certainly overall did better than most UT coaches from the past (had higher winning % in his 3 years than even CBP had in his last 3). Also, how many UT bb coaches made the sweet 16 at all?
 
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orangefloyd said:
It was good. Great is when you win the tournament.
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So according to your logic UT basketball has never been great because we still have 0 tournament titles. I guess everything CBP did when he was here was also not great according to your standards?
 
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#195
"In Parrish's report, he states, “A source told CBSSports.com that UT has informally contacted some “A-list” candidates but that the interest hasn't been mutual. Another source told CBSSports.com that at least one potential candidate expressed no interest mostly because Tennessee's roster is in bad shape given that the Vols are losing four of their top five players from a Sweet 16 team.”"


That says it all.......

For all those that think its all about money and not about how the UT basketball program is thought of by big named coaches.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
"In Parrish's report, he states, “A source told CBSSports.com that UT has informally contacted some “A-list” candidates but that the interest hasn't been mutual. Another source told CBSSports.com that at least one potential candidate expressed no interest mostly because Tennessee's roster is in bad shape given that the Vols are losing four of their top five players from a Sweet 16 team.”"


That says it all.......

For all those that think its all about money and not about how the UT basketball program is thought of by big named coaches.
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Program or roster?
 
#198
#198
Looks like it is gonna go the way of Louisiana Tech once again. Not sure this will sit well with the so call natives.
 
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G0V0LS33 said:
Looks like it is gonna go the way of Louisiana Tech once again. Not sure this will sit well with the so call natives.
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If we do hire this guy, we'll never hear the end of it regarding our propensity to tap La Tech coaches. Meaningless as it is, people are going to compare it to the Dooley hire for years to come
 
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G0V0LS33 said:
Looks like it is gonna go the way of Louisiana Tech once again. Not sure this will sit well with the so call natives.
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Looking at the poll thread, seems about 90% are willing to jump on board and support the hire if it plays out. I guess the other 10% are still waiting on Gruden's presser. :dunno:
 
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