Harrison Bailey's potential for the Vols

[LakeMaryFLVol]

Tennessee in the next few years will have the best offensive line in the SEC

Big Uglies win you rings..

 

[1vol8]

God created great players. He was a product of the talent around him.

It's no coincidence his worst year was when he didn't have NFL talent at every position..

His freshman year he threw over 100 passes less with more tds and less ints.

His sophomore year with basically one game more of passes , 44 more, double the tds and only two more ints.

CC was a great game manager who benefited from better players around him.

Give Dobbs his teams and we win at least one NC.

Funny how you use the EXACT arguments to support your opinions when it benefits your narratives but when, once again, that EXACT argument is used against you it holds no weight.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

JG has a better arm than Dobbs. Dobbs was a much better player with his arm and running ability combined. Also processed a lot faster. JG has a NFL arm though. I don't think that has ever been a question. He needs the mental part to improve and get some help from the team. He has the arm.

I say is arm strength is just average for a D1 Qb. Nothing special and certainly not NFL caliber.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

I say is arm strength is just average for a D1 Qb. Nothing special and certainly not NFL caliber.

I could see Jarrett Guarantano latching on to an XFL team when the XFL restarts in 2021.

 

[1972 Grad]

I say is arm strength is just average for a D1 Qb. Nothing special and certainly not NFL caliber.

It is possible to be an NFL quarterback with average arm strength. Having said that, I see nothing exceptional or NFL quality about JG at this point. I didn't with Dobbs either, but he was an elusive runner, smart, and made decent decisions.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

It is possible to be an NFL quarterback with average arm strength. Having said that, I see nothing exceptional or NFL quality about JG at this point. I didn't with Dobbs either, but he was an elusive runner, smart, and made decent decisions.

I agree. Dobbs was a playmaker. Certainly an ability that JG has not shown so far.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

JG has a better arm than Dobbs. Dobbs was a much better player with his arm and running ability combined. Also processed a lot faster. JG has a NFL arm though. I don't think that has ever been a question. He needs the mental part to improve and get some help from the team. He has the arm.

Don’t gf et me wrong, JG can throw a long floater if he puts two or three steps into it but all D1 Qb’s can do that I was more impressed with the zip on the ball with the few opportunities Maurer and Stout had last year. There is absolutely nothing special about JG’s arm strength at the college level. He is a run of the mill subpar D1 Qb. You continue to see things that few on this board see.

 

[LittleVol]

Dang! I didn’t know he was that fast. If I had to guess I would’ve guessed around a 4.7-4.8.

He broke a 68 yard td run vs The Ohio State. His running was crucial in that game.
LSU saw that and took it away the next game, because they knew Lawrence wasn't going to beat them with his arm.

 

[LittleVol]

Damn I thought this was a Bailey thread. You guys have ten other JG bash threads.

Well...thankfully he's leaving after this season .
Hopefully he gets beat out and doesn't throw away more games for the good guys.

 

[LittleVol]

God created great players. He was a product of the talent around him.

It's no coincidence his worst year was when he didn't have NFL talent at every position..

His freshman year he threw over 100 passes less with more tds and less ints.

His sophomore year with basically one game more of passes , 44 more, double the tds and only two more ints.

CC was a great game manager who benefited from better players around him.

Give Dobbs his teams and we win at least one NC.

That I can agree with. In 2001 if we have Dobbs at QB, we play Miami for it all. Beat LSU too. Casey was gutsy but his talent was minimal.

If we had Dobbs last year we go 10-2 maybe 11-1. We had Bama on the ropes for 3 1/2 qtrs until your boy played horseshoes with the football ...smh

 

[1972 Grad]

Don’t gf et me wrong, JG can throw a long floater if he puts two or three steps into it but all D1 Qb’s can do that I was more impressed with the zip on the ball with the few opportunities Maurer and Stout had last year. There is absolutely nothing special about JG’s arm strength at the college level. He is a run of the mill subpar D1 Qb. You continue to see things that few on this board see.

Shrout appeared to me to have the best arm, but would try to throw it in a window the size of the opening in a mailbox. He was a little too optimistic about where to throw it.

 

[Jravol78]

Most overrated.
Look at that Jr year.

KTK- I will address 2 separate posts/ statements by you in one post .
First:
Missed 3 games with separated (non throwing) shoulder & high ankle sprain.

Stats don’t lie . Also not sure how “most overrated”. By and large VN bitched about #7 then and they still are , or at least it appears that you still are . Where would Casey Clausen land on your own personal list of top 10 all time Vol QB’s? Would he even make your top 10?

Second : I agree with you about Dobbs,Josh Dobbs is in my top 4 favorite UTQB’s ever. If he had Stalworth , Washington , WITTEN , etc to throw to he would have at least added significant positive stats to his #’s , although with Lyle still @ the helm the W’s would probably still be about the same .

To even insinuate that KELLEY Washington would have been a better QB than Casey is highly dubious .... almost like something someone with some sort of other agenda would suggest. I don’t know ??? Maybe somebody that just really loved a highly talented yet controversial WR that gave us just a small glimpse of how productive he might have been.

Lastly if by “ahead of his time” you mean a highly gifted athlete with prima donna tendencies who divided an entire locker room and was all about some “ME” than yes ..... I agree 100% my friend .

 

[lifeisdeep]

Because they were terrible. CC was not a bad player. He was pretty good not great.

There is a reason that even though he beat all those teams Dobbs and probably JG will have more of an NFL career. Tyler Bray was better too.

I never said he had nothing to do with wins. He did, he managed the game really well. Not a great individual player though.

Anyone who would even consider uttering that JG is a better quarterback, in any universe or by any metric, than Casey Clausen is just a willful liar with no regard for the truth (and probably also either closely related to JG or his girlfriend). Dobbs isn't in the same universe as Clausen...JG barely plays the same position.

 

[1972 Grad]

Anyone who would even consider uttering that JG is a better quarterback, in any universe or by any metric, than Casey Clausen is just a willful liar with no regard for the truth (and probably also either closely related to JG or his girlfriend). Dobbs isn't in the same universe as Clausen...JG barely plays the same position.

In defense of the other 2 mentioned, and not to take away from Clausen, he was surrounded by a much better team than the other two.

 

[1vol8]

In defense of the other 2 mentioned, and not to take away from Clausen, he was surrounded by a much better team than the other two.

But K town has said in the past that qb A that plays on a bad team and put up numbers equal to or even better than qb B that plays on a championship caliber team holds no weight in comparison to individual talent. Now, given his stance on said qbs for THIS particular discussion, it’s a different ball game. Dude talks out of both sides of his mouth quite a bit.

 

[kbear01]

That is, as Coach Frank Broyles often said, "paralysis by analysis."

"Analyzin' is paralyzin'".

 

[kbear01]

Does anyone know his speed? Is he going to be a straight pocket passer? In college the ability to scramble is so important.

He is deceptively fast. He's a big kid. So he's durable, and doesn't play scared. He has great pocket presence. Meaning, he feels the pressure, and has an uncanny knack for moving, just enough to avoid pressure, get into passing lanes, and complete passes. His coaches say he has eyes in the back of his head, and is very good at audibling into plays that move the chains. He has no ego, and isn't ashamed to audible into a running play. He reminds me of Peyton or Tom Brady. If you blitz, you had better get to him, or your in big trouble.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Here's another Harrison Bailey flashback