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Okay, here is my original comment. I said the guy isn't loyal to Gundy he's a dirt bag. I stand by that. If him and Gundy are square with him coming here, that's not being disloyal to Gundy. Again, this was an unusual situation the way Gundy found Yurcich, and it's likely to inspire more loyalty than your average HC-OC relationship. God forbid someone say anything which in any way interferes with the hopes and dreams of the moment around here.


I agree that yes there's probably more loyalty there than in many other HC/OC relationships, but that doesn't automatically make Yurcich a 'dirt bag' when/if he takes another job. That's a little extreme imo. And like you say yourself, Gundy could be completely okay with it and I would think he probably is. He knows how the coaching world works.
 
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I get that, but I just have to believe that Gundy is thankful he's stayed with him as long as he has. I mean, he knows how that business is, that's what made him search for him the way he did. Surely Gundy knows that getting a huge raise and going to work for a team in the SEC could and probably will get him better and more lucrative HC offers.

Anyway, I'd bet they've talked about and if he actually does accept the job here, Gundy will be genuinely happy for him.

I reposted my original comment above as this has gotten off track with some of the other guys I was talking to. I said if Yurcich wasn't loyal to Gundy (given the very unique situation) he was a dirt bag, I didn't say he was a dirtbag if he left Oklahoma State for any reason, so if he and Gundy are square, that's fine, not a dirt bag in that situation. I can't believe the level of blow back here when so many on this board felt Cade Mays was honor bound to come to UT.
 
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I agree that yes there's probably more loyalty there than in many other HC/OC relationships, but that doesn't automatically make Yurcich a 'dirt bag' when/if he takes another job. That's a little extreme imo. And like you say yourself, Gundy could be completely okay with it and I would think he probably is. He knows how the coaching world works.
Again, I said if Yurcich wasn't loyal to Gundy (given the very unique situation) he was a dirt bag, I didn't say he was a dirtbag if he left Oklahoma State for any reason, so if he and Gundy are square, that's fine, not a dirt bag in that situation.
 
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Again, I said if Yurcich wasn't loyal to Gundy (given the very unique situation) he was a dirt bag, I didn't say he was a dirtbag if he left Oklahoma State for any reason he was a dirt bag, so if he and Gundy are square, that's fine, not a dirt bag in that situation.

You don't owe someone your life just because they gave you a break.
 
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Again, I said if Yurcich wasn't loyal to Gundy (given the very unique situation) he was a dirt bag, I didn't say he was a dirtbag if he left Oklahoma State for any reason he was a dirt bag, so if he and Gundy are square, that's fine, not a dirt bag in that situation.


HUH????????

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It had nothing to do with hopes and dreams; it had to do with utter stupidity--i.e. the idea that him leaving would make him a dirt bag (whether Gundy agreed or not). I have news for you; indentured servitude ended centuries ago.
You are just too much man, first you accuse me of being melodramatic and then blatantly exaggerate the number of years Yurcich worked for Gundy, and then you start babbling about straw men and then make a blatant straw man argument, the record of the posting is clear, I didn't say "him leaving would make him a dirt bag", I said if he wasn't loyal to Gundy under the circumstances he was a dirt bag, obviously if he and Gundy are square, no problem. And before you start back with the hypothetical facts of there being a half a million dollar difference in pay, let me also ease your conscience and let you know that if in some other hypothetical situation, say Gundy raped Yurcich's wife or something, I would also not consider Yurcich a dirt bag for leaving under those circumstances. And you brought up "indentured servitude" obviously you have no flipping idea what it was if you think someone making 800 grand a year qualifies as an indentured servant.
 
Again, I said if Yurcich wasn't loyal to Gundy (given the very unique situation) he was a dirt bag, I didn't say he was a dirtbag if he left Oklahoma State for any reason he was a dirt bag, so if he and Gundy are square, that's fine, not a dirt bag in that situation.

Idk maybe if Yurcich went behind Gundy's back and took offers and interviews without letting him know or something. Then maybe dirtbag. Other than that I don't see it. No one owes anyone else anything, especially in the coaching world and I think most coaches realize that.
 
You don't owe someone your life just because they gave you a break.

Especially when that person publicly stated that they weren't "giving you a break" but were hiring you for their own 'selfish'/professional reasons. I reiterate that Gundy becomes the dirt bag if he's been funneling public university money as a six season welfare program for Yurcich. And if he hired/retained Yurcich because he was the best candidate he could find and retain, then Yurcich owes him nothing. (That's how business works.)

The entire argument is absurd.
 
You are just too much man...

You probably should have stopped there. Use a comma and it's less creepy.

I didn't exaggerate. I misspoke. You belabor it because you can't deal with the [points of the discussion.

If Yurcich needs Gundy's permission to leave without being a "dirt bag", then your arguing the absurd.

Again... It would have been much easier to humble yourself and admit you said something ridiculous.

And again... I hope you have a good day.
 
Okay, here is my original comment. I said the guy isn't loyal to Gundy he's a dirt bag. I stand by that. If him and Gundy are square with him coming here, that's not being disloyal to Gundy. Again, this was an unusual situation the way Gundy found Yurcich, and it's likely to inspire more loyalty than your average HC-OC relationship. God forbid someone say anything which in any way interferes with the hopes and dreams of the moment around here.
You may want to edit this post to add an if. Didn’t you mean to write: “I said IF the guy isn’t loyal to Gundy, he’s a dirt bag”?

As it is, you’re saying that he is (currently) a dirt bag and isn’t (currently) loyal.

There’s enough confusion in this thread as it is.
 
You may want to edit this post to add an if. Didn’t you mean to write: “I said IF the guy isn’t loyal to Gundy, he’s a dirt bag”?

As it is, you’re saying that he is (currently) a dirt bag and isn’t (currently) loyal.

There’s enough confusion in this thread as it is.
My original post that started it all said "if" and in one of the numerous replies I left it out, I appreciate you correcting me.
 
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Idk maybe if Yurcich went behind Gundy's back and took offers and interviews without letting him know or something. Then maybe dirtbag. Other than that I don't see it. No one owes anyone else anything, especially in the coaching world and I think most coaches realize that.
Maybe he is waiting till after early signing period to honor his commitment to Gundy then Tennessee will have a presser to hire him. Maybe this is why nothing has been said or done. Idk
 
So if a company finds me and I take a job and then I go to another company for more money a couple of years later, I'm a dirt bag? I don't get it. My current company should have ponied up even if it is a lateral move.
 
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So if a company finds me and I take a job and then I go to another company for more money a couple of years later, I'm a dirt bag? I don't get it. My current company should have ponied up even if it is a lateral move.
Here's the article I posted How Mike Gundy found his offensive coordinator on the internet Yurcich was making 52K a year, Gundy randomly plucked him from obscurity, gave him a 400K a year job, now an 800K a year job. This is a highly unusual circumstance, and I think it would inspire above average loyalty, in fact if it didn't yeah, I think you/me/anybody in Yurcich's situation would be a dirt bag. If Gundy is fine with Yurcich leaving though and they are square with each other, that's not being disloyal, so the dirt bag comment wouldn't apply there.
 
Here's the article I posted How Mike Gundy found his offensive coordinator on the internet Yurcich was making 52K a year, Gundy randomly plucked him from obscurity, gave him a 400K a year job, now an 800K a year job. This is a highly unusual circumstance, and I think it would inspire above average loyalty, in fact if it didn't yeah, I think you/me/anybody in Yurcich's situation would be a dirt bag. If Gundy is fine with Yurcich leaving though and they are square with each other, that's not being disloyal, so the dirt bag comment wouldn't apply there.

So let's say Gundy can't get approval to raise him to 1.2 mil and UT is offering that. Is he a dirtbag for taking it even if Gundy doesn't want him to?
 
So let's say Gundy can't get approval to raise him to 1.2 mil and UT is offering that. Is he a dirtbag for taking it even if Gundy doesn't want him to?
I haven’t followed the situation, but why would Gundy pay an OC that much? Doesn’t seem like he needs him that bad.

Also, to others in this thread, Yurcich has been with Gundy for 6 years. Maybe he wants to make a name for himself. Not sure how that makes him disloyal I’d he leaves.
 
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