Harris, Carson, Young

#101
#101
sjt18 said:
The most your post tells us is that you are an 18 or 19 year old guy who literally thinks that Rivals put more time and effort into giving these guys a 5.5 than the staff did in giving them a scholarship. You put alot of faith in the cursory opinions of guys who won't lose their jobs if they are wrong about these guys and seem to be suspicious of guys who will.

Do their ratings matter? Who knows? Maybe they'll all be as terrible as you seem so confident of based on Rivals. But guys with NFL experience and significant experience recruiting for championship football teams thought they could help the program.
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Boom roasted
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#103
#103
Indianavol4eva said:
Sorry if this didn't need a new thread, but i didn't want to post it in each of their threads. Anyways, I know i will get flamed for this and most will think it does not matter, but each of these three guys is rated a 5.5 or lower on rivals.
I know these comparisons arent always correct, but my friend from high school last year is a 5.5 who signed with Vandy. All i am gonna say is that if they are the same caliber players as the friend i played with last year, don't expect much from them... JMO :peace2:

Hope they are really just hidden gems!
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Your critical thinking skills would be a 2-star if rated by rivals.
 
#104
#104
sjt18 said:
The most your post tells us is that you are an 18 or 19 year old guy who literally thinks that Rivals put more time and effort into giving these guys a 5.5 than the staff did in giving them a scholarship. You put alot of faith in the cursory opinions of guys who won't lose their jobs if they are wrong about these guys and seem to be suspicious of guys who will.

Do their ratings matter? Who knows? Maybe they'll all be as terrible as you seem so confident of based on Rivals. But guys with NFL experience and significant experience recruiting for championship football teams thought they could help the program.
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#105
#105
Dr.Vols said:
Just going to give two names: Carl Pickens and Nick Rivez

Walk ons. Pickens left for the NFL a year early and was an All American. Look at he passion that Big Nick displayed during his time at UT. You take a chance on some kids. I would rather have these lower ranked players give their all for the vols for 4-5 years than Brice Brown and the other highly ranked thugs any day.
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Exactly. Considering Nick had a thin d-line in front of him, this includes all our LB's they played extremely well. We all seem to forget if the big uglies our plugging holes it's a lot easier for the LB's to come in and clean up.
 
#107
#107
therickbol said:
Your critical thinking skills would be a 2-star if rated by rivals.
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But I guess it's easy and cowardly to pile-on. The poster clearly qualified his original post. Now I don't agree with what he wrote but he doesn't deserve the bashing. But if it make you guys feel tough then I just have to laugh and hope you get your IQs tested soon. :crazy:
 
#108
#108
IamtheVolrus said:
But I guess it's easy and cowardly to pile-on. The poster clearly qualified his original post. Now I don't agree with what he wrote but he doesn't deserve the bashing. But if it make you guys feel tough then I just have to laugh and hope you get your IQs tested soon. :crazy:
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Dude... Awesome name..

Also, you have to dispense logic in very small doses around here...
 
#109
#109
carson is strong and plays decently low...real fast for size...once he gets lower and learns to use his hands a little more (insert CCS) he will be a great pick up for the VOLS.
 
#110
#110
IamtheVolrus said:
But I guess it's easy and cowardly to pile-on. The poster clearly qualified his original post. Now I don't agree with what he wrote but he doesn't deserve the bashing. But if it make you guys feel tough then I just have to laugh and hope you get your IQs tested soon. :crazy:
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it's not moronic since the OP has a history of doing these to these exact players.
 
#111
#111
sjt18 said:
The most your post tells us is that you are an 18 or 19 year old guy who literally thinks that Rivals put more time and effort into giving these guys a 5.5 than the staff did in giving them a scholarship. You put alot of faith in the cursory opinions of guys who won't lose their jobs if they are wrong about these guys and seem to be suspicious of guys who will.

Do their ratings matter? Who knows? Maybe they'll all be as terrible as you seem so confident of based on Rivals. But guys with NFL experience and significant experience recruiting for championship football teams thought they could help the program.
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Did i say they were bad players because their rivals ranking sucks? no. i said if they are the same caliber player as the kid i played with, don't expect much. Never once did i make a claim that they would be bad players.

utvolpj said:
it's not moronic since the OP has a history of doing these to these exact players.
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you sure know how to make crap up. a history? one time i said i didn't think DY was worth a scholarship for us, and i backed it up with sound logic. I've never said one bad thing about Harris or Carson, and still didn't in this thread. All I said is that i hope they don't live up to their rivals rating because if they do, they won't be very good. So quit acting like im some stargazing idiot who bashes every lower rated player we have, because its simply not true.
 
#112
#112
IamtheVolrus said:
But I guess it's easy and cowardly to pile-on. The poster clearly qualified his original post. Now I don't agree with what he wrote but he doesn't deserve the bashing. But if it make you guys feel tough then I just have to laugh and hope you get your IQs tested soon. :crazy:
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Dude !

I guess now I understand what it takes to get you out of your cave !

Three posts in 6 years !

You should peruse some of Hat's threads, or take a peek the next time MikeHamiltonFan writes a book.

Post more often ! We need the help !

:loco: VFL !
 
#114
#114
IamtheVolrus said:
But I guess it's easy and cowardly to pile-on. The poster clearly qualified his original post. Now I don't agree with what he wrote but he doesn't deserve the bashing. But if it make you guys feel tough then I just have to laugh and hope you get your IQs tested soon. :crazy:
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How do you have more stars than posts? Most people can't wait to toss their opinion out here...
 
#115
#115
These 3 players we all can agree probably arent going to be 1st team ALL SEC anytime soon but I will tell you what they can do to contribute for this team.

Carson: Absolutely a redshirt candidate his 1st yr. Coaching and training are most important here. Given time if he can lose all that baby fat he can be disruptive on running downs. I dont ever expect him to be an every down DT. But if he can contribute on 3rd and shorts and obvious run downs I'll take it.

Harris: The kid looks like a string bean compared to AJ. He was our 1st committ and never waivered. That says something about a kids character. This is a prototypical Dooley Special Teams player. I dont ever project him to start for our team. But he will have a role on special teams, maybe even this year.

Young: This is the highest risk IMO. Hes not a RB in the SEC, he would get killed. Its kickoff and punt returner or bust for him. As long as he knows that he can be successful in that role.
 
#116
#116
Lance Thompson raves about Harris. I will take his evaluation all day long over the anecdotal comparison to your friend.

There are several lightning fast little guys who are game changers. Devin Hester of Miami and the Bears, Dexter McCluster for Ole Miss, Derrick Locke of KY and sure there are more. I don't know what their "ratings" were, but there is anecdotal evidence that some of these types pay off big. Time will tell on Young, but the coaches see some potential there.

As far as Carson, the coaches definitely see potential development possible there.

We have room on the roster for them and the potential rewards for having them are far better than the risks.
 
#118
#118
I hope your friend reads this...it can't be good karma to hate on your friend and spread doubt about newly inked recruits who haven't had an opportunity to show what they got, all in one post
 
#119
#119
hdrizzle21 said:
These 3 players we all can agree probably arent going to be 1st team ALL SEC anytime soon but I will tell you what they can do to contribute for this team.

Carson: Absolutely a redshirt candidate his 1st yr. Coaching and training are most important here. Given time if he can lose all that baby fat he can be disruptive on running downs. I dont ever expect him to be an every down DT. But if he can contribute on 3rd and shorts and obvious run downs I'll take it.

Harris: The kid looks like a string bean compared to AJ. He was our 1st committ and never waivered. That says something about a kids character. This is a prototypical Dooley Special Teams player. I dont ever project him to start for our team. But he will have a role on special teams, maybe even this year.

Young: This is the highest risk IMO. Hes not a RB in the SEC, he would get killed. Its kickoff and punt returner or bust for him. As long as he knows that he can be successful in that role.
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The only thing I am going to pick on here is what you said about Harris. Dude what picture did you see that made you think Harris was a string bean compared to AJ? Harris is only 10-15 lbs lighter and about the same height as AJ. They are both huge LBs already. I have wished for years that Chavis would pick up bigger LBs.
 
#121
#121
tallshortvol said:
If your friend/teammate was so terrible why aren't you playing for an SEC school right now?
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because I am 5'9 180 and he is 6'6 240. think about it. I am sure you can figure it out genius. And no, i am not jealous of him. Would i have loved to be 6'6 240? Who wouldn't? but you play with the hand you are dealt.

As far as how good this kid is... I would say the year i was a senior and he was a junior, he probably contributed the 6th most on the team. out of the 5 people in front of him, 2 went D3, and one went D2. the other 2 don't even play anymore.

I didn't have very many opportunities to keep up with the team this year, but i know they lost in the third round of the playoffs after going to state championship the previous two years.
 
#122
#122
A few points:

1) The guy might be soft and a legitmate 5.5. He's 6'6" and fast. That goes a long way to being a 5.5

2) He can be a 5.5, Carson can be a 5.5, Young can be a 5.5 and Harris can be a 5.5 and one can be soft and the others can be tough as nails. Or vice versa.

3) The poster might have played with him, and is being fair based on what he saw, and still be just plain wrong without being jealous or hateful.

4) When he says he's soft, it he might not mean soft on the field or with contact. Its might mean he's soft when it comes to work outs and effort. No shortage of guys who are beasts on the field in High School but fail in college because they are lazy and don't know what to do once talent isn't enough alone. Every program signs a few every year.

5) Everyone jumped on the OP for calling a guy we haven't seen play soft that he saw on a regular basis. I hope those that jumped on the OP aren't one of the guys that have been calling Cody Pope soft.

6) The OP could always just be resentful.
 
#123
#123
glhal2814 said:
A few points:

1) The guy might be soft and a legitmate 5.5. He's 6'6" and fast. That goes a long way to being a 5.5

2) He can be a 5.5, Carson can be a 5.5, Young can be a 5.5 and Harris can be a 5.5 and one can be soft and the others can be tough as nails. Or vice versa.

3) The poster might have played with him, and is being fair based on what he saw, and still be just plain wrong without being jealous or hateful.

4) When he says he's soft, it he might not mean soft on the field or with contact. Its might mean he's soft when it comes to work outs and effort. No shortage of guys who are beasts on the field in High School but fail in college because they are lazy and don't know what to do once talent isn't enough alone. Every program signs a few every year.

5) Everyone jumped on the OP for calling a guy we haven't seen play soft that he saw on a regular basis. I hope those that jumped on the OP aren't one of the guys that have been calling Cody Pope soft.

6) The OP could always just be resentful.
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a fair assessment. only thing i'd say is that hes not fast, and soft refers to him on the field and off. Although from what i heard he made a pretty large improvement in his lifting during the offseason. But that could just be because hes so big. and to 6, no point backing down at this point :loco:
 
#124
#124
Indianavol4eva said:
Did i say they were bad players because their rivals ranking sucks? no. i said if they are the same caliber player as the kid i played with, don't expect much. Never once did i make a claim that they would be bad players.
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Sorry. It seemed you were questioning these guys and the acceptance of their LOI because of Rivals' ratings. Did I completely miss your point or something?
 
#125
#125
Indianavol4eva said:
a fair assessment. only thing i'd say is that hes not fast, and soft refers to him on the field and off. Although from what i heard he made a pretty large improvement in his lifting during the offseason. But that could just be because hes so big. and to 6, no point backing down at this point :loco:
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If that's you're honest opinion, you shouldn't back down - whether its driven by resentfulness or not. You're opnion is your opinion.

You did phrase you're opening post in about as bad a wording as possible though. I think a lot of the responses stem from the misuse of the word "friend" and lack of specifics as to why you didn't think he was that good.
 
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