Hardesty = 2nd round steal.

#51
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Voodoomonkey said:
No. Two completely different styles.

Looking solely at styles, Hardesty is a poor man's AD. AD is a little bigger and faster, but Hardesty doesn't cough it up as much. Both run hard and seek contact. When they run it's almost like watching a galloping horse. But both can also be finesse when they need to be. Hardesty is a better receiver than he was at this stage. But overall, yes Hardesty is a poor man's AD.
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Drawing a big blank here, who is AD?
 
#55
#55
Peterson!?!?! you are nuts...

If we are going to compare Hardesty, i would roll with more of a Micheal Turner mold. AP, or AD, or whatever you call him is fast, agile, strong, and has excellent vision. He is one of, if not the best RBs in the League. It is an extreme reach saying he is a poor mans AP.
 
#56
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Glutton said:
Peterson!?!?! you are nuts...

If we are going to compare Hardesty, i would roll with more of a Micheal Turner mold. AP, or AD, or whatever you call him is fast, agile, strong, and has excellent vision. He is one of, if not the best RBs in the League. It is an extreme reach saying he is a poor mans AP.
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No, it really isn't. Look at their running styles. I'm not saying Hardesty is going to end up that good, or that he's half the prospect that AD was, but they have the same exact running style.
 
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Glutton said:
Peterson!?!?! you are nuts...

If we are going to compare Hardesty, i would roll with more of a Micheal Turner mold. AP, or AD, or whatever you call him is fast, agile, strong, and has excellent vision. He is one of, if not the best RBs in the League. It is an extreme reach saying he is a poor mans AP.
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You can have the same running styles and not be the same caliber of prospects.

I see Peterson more than the Westbrook or the Turner style comparisons. Personally, I like Fred Jackson or Thomas Jones better.
 
#59
#59
I've been a big fan of Hardesty's but frankly, unless Hardesty just blows up the combine, I'm having a hard time seeing any way he goes ahead of Spiller, Best, Dwyer or Gerhart. And even at that you've still got the likes of Ryan Mathews, Anthony Dixon, Evan Royster, Noel Divine, Joe McKnight, Ben Tate...

It's not that Hardesty isn't a good back, he is, but it's not like there aren't other backs out there that can't make that claim. It's your 2nd pick in the draft and you're going to take a guy with one full season of play in his entire career and in that season averaged under 5ypc? (I know, not the best line and in the SEC but it's still what it is) I think he'll be a pleasant pickup for somebody but it just seems a reach for 2nd round.
 
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Glutton said:
Peterson!?!?! you are nuts...

If we are going to compare Hardesty, i would roll with more of a Micheal Turner mold. AP, or AD, or whatever you call him is fast, agile, strong, and has excellent vision. He is one of, if not the best RBs in the League. It is an extreme reach saying he is a poor mans AP.
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...a monumental stretch. It's amazing the blinders that some people are wearing. He must be the greatest player of all time. After all, he played for Tennessee.
 
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#61
Vol423 said:
...a monumental stretch. It's amazing the blinders that some people are wearing. He must be the greatest player of all time. After all, he played for Tennessee.
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I'll just reiterated that Voodoo isn't saying Hardesty is the caliber of player Peterson is. He's saying that their running styles are similar - downhill, cut and go backs who are physical and willingly take on contact.

Although most see AD's name and instantaneously say it's too much for Hardesty to live up to, in the context that we're talking about, it's not. I'll vouch for Voodoo's credibility when I say out of all the people in this thread wearing orange colored glasses, he's not one of them. We kind've make fun of the Volnation homers behind ya'lls backs.

This is kind've outside the box thinking though. I guess not everyone should be expected to get it.
 
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TitanHope said:
I'll just reiterated that Voodoo isn't saying Hardesty is the caliber of player Peterson is. He's saying that their running styles are similar - downhill, cut and go backs who are physical and willingly take on contact.

Although most see AD's name and instantaneously say it's too much for Hardesty to live up to, in the context that we're talking about, it's not. I'll vouch for Voodoo's credibility when I say out of all the people in this thread wearing orange colored glasses, he's not one of them. We kind've make fun of the Volnation homers behind ya'lls backs.

This is kind've outside the box thinking though. I guess not everyone should be expected to get it.
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Hardesty is a physical running back, but he's nowhere near as physical as Adrian Peterson is. I would say that Hardesty is a little more shifty than Peterson, and he's also probably a better receiver out of the backfield than Adrian Peterson. When it comes to pure running, though, Peterson is much more physical than Hardesty.
 
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TitanHope said:
I'll just reiterated that Voodoo isn't saying Hardesty is the caliber of player Peterson is. He's saying that their running styles are similar - downhill, cut and go backs who are physical and willingly take on contact.

Although most see AD's name and instantaneously say it's too much for Hardesty to live up to, in the context that we're talking about, it's not. I'll vouch for Voodoo's credibility when I say out of all the people in this thread wearing orange colored glasses, he's not one of them. We kind've make fun of the Volnation homers behind ya'lls backs.

This is kind've outside the box thinking though. I guess not everyone should be expected to get it.
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Perhaps it's semantics but I think most people, myself included, think the "poor man's" analogy is just a bit much. To say that someone has a somewhat similar style of running to Player X is one thing but to proclaim one running back "a poor man's" version of the RB with the most yards in the NFL since his joining the league is kinda out kicking your coverage. That particular turn of phrase is usually associated with a strong qualitative component beyond a mere stylistic comparison.

For instance, in the vast majority of people's eyes some QB that had a throwing motion that just so happened to be similar to Manning's would need a lot more to show for it than that to be considered "a poor man's Peyton Manning".

Hardesty has quite a bit to prove beyond running style to be considered anything to AP. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see him succeed in doing so.
 
#64
#64
Hahaha, you people need to take a step back. I've said all along that Hardesty will be a 3rd or 4th round pick. I'm not comparing him to AD as a prospect or on talent level at all. Got it? Good. I'm saying they have very similar running styles. How that makes me a homer is beyond me. I've ran the comparison of Hardesty's running style to AD's over at a draft site and got plenty of positive feedback on the comparison. It's really not that much of a stretch. The stretch was the Westbrook comparison because he and Hardesty don't have much in common at all.
 
#65
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hndog609 said:
I've been a big fan of Hardesty's but frankly, unless Hardesty just blows up the combine, I'm having a hard time seeing any way he goes ahead of Spiller, Best, Dwyer or Gerhart. And even at that you've still got the likes of Ryan Mathews, Anthony Dixon, Evan Royster, Noel Divine, Joe McKnight, Ben Tate...

It's not that Hardesty isn't a good back, he is, but it's not like there aren't other backs out there that can't make that claim. It's your 2nd pick in the draft and you're going to take a guy with one full season of play in his entire career and in that season averaged under 5ypc? (I know, not the best line and in the SEC but it's still what it is) I think he'll be a pleasant pickup for somebody but it just seems a reach for 2nd round.
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If he runs a 4.4 at the combine, only Stiller and Best goes ahead of him, IMHO. Stiller is just too dynamic, and Best supposedly has world class speed.

But again, when you factor in how COMPLETE of a back Hardesty is, and the fact that he takes care of the ball...he is going to get a hard look by every team looking to upgrade the position.

If Hardesty can somehow break into a high 4.3 time, that's where I think he easily positions himself as a 1st rd pick. I think he is a true 4.4 guy, but remember, he's a very hard worker...so, I bet CLK and staff get him hooked up with the very best speed trainers, and he works his but off until the combine.

Again, I'm not being so much a homer as Montario has made a believer out of me this year. I thought BB would surpass him halfway through the season, but Hardesty changed my thinking.
 
#66
#66
Montario will definitely suffer from his injury past, but a back like him could put up huge numbers somewhere like Denver with those zone blocking skeams. I certainly agree that anyone will be hard pressed to find 5 backs in the country better than him.
 
#67
#67
With todays NFL where every team uses 2 back consistently, I think Montario could pay huge dividends. I don't think he'll go by the 2nd round but if he does I don't see anyone having a solid argument against it.
 
#68
#68
I don't watch Adrian Peterson. I never care too much to watch Vikings football. I do know that AP is a very hard and punishing runner. Montario is willing to put his head down, but has one of the sickest spin moves I have seen at the college level. He is a hard downhill runner, but don't say he is one-dimensional type back. He can run over or around a defender.
 
#69
#69
Zasnow said:
Not bashing the twins but imagine if he had McNeal and Vlad the whole year or better yet a line like Bamas. Scary if you ask me.
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Cody Sullins pretty much beat McNeil out for the starting center job before McNeil was hurt. Vlad once healthy was not able to get his starting job back from Cory Sullins either. Give the Sullins boys some credit.
 
#70
#70
hndog609 said:
Perhaps it's semantics but I think most people, myself included, think the "poor man's" analogy is just a bit much. To say that someone has a somewhat similar style of running to Player X is one thing but to proclaim one running back "a poor man's" version of the RB with the most yards in the NFL since his joining the league is kinda out kicking your coverage. That particular turn of phrase is usually associated with a strong qualitative component beyond a mere stylistic comparison.

For instance, in the vast majority of people's eyes some QB that had a throwing motion that just so happened to be similar to Manning's would need a lot more to show for it than that to be considered "a poor man's Peyton Manning".

Hardesty has quite a bit to prove beyond running style to be considered anything to AP. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see him succeed in doing so.
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I think it is arguing semantics. A "poor man's Adrian Peterson" was used as a way to get his point across, and that point has been explained more specifically now to correct any misconceptions. Perhaps a "very poor man's" explanation would've been more adequate? If we're arguing over a simple turn of phrase, then we're wasting each other's time.

I also think comparing QB similarities and RB similarities is apples and oranges, but that's irrelevant.
 
#71
#71
I'd say mid 2nd early 3rd round pick. If he fallls to the 4th or lower somebody will be getting a steal. I said at the beginning of the season he would be the starter all year just because of the desire he runs with. I don't know if he'll be considered a great back at the end of his carrer or not but he will definately be a quality starter for years to come if he stays healthy.
 
#72
#72
Guys. A few things:

1. RBs are the biggest ''wait'' position in the draft. GMs know they can find quality system RBs in the mid-rounds.

2. Hardesty at best will run a 4.48, but will clock around 4.5. The combine won't be good or bad for him.

3. He only averaged 4.9 ypc. Good, not great in college.

4. There are easily more than 5 RBs getting drafted higher.
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#73
#73
Voodoomonkey:
AD and Tario don't run similar at all.

AD stands tall, ball can get away from his chest. Faster than Tario.

Tario runs lower and more compact, ball in tight.

Both have lenghty, quick cuts.
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