Hard Truth

#77
#77
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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And thus you've hit the nail on the head as to why Hamilton has failed. He hired a person who considered UT as a stepping stone and potentially is making UT look like a stepping stone right now. UT is a final destination for many out there, and they are all not from the UT family. The AD is responsible for finding that right person, and he failed at it 14 months ago which is part of why we look like a stepping stone right now. The longer Hamilton is allowed to make the choice of our coach, the more potential we will have at beginning to look like a stepping stone program.
 
#78
#78
utvolpj said:
absolutely false but why would I expect anything more from your posts
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Listen man, these are just the facts:

Tennessee hasn't won the conference since 1998.
In the last 5 years they are #6 in the SEC going 21-20 in SEC conference play.
In the last decade they are #5 at 51-32 in SEC play.

Since 2000, they are #22 in overall winning percentage, going 83-44. Good for 5th out of all SEC teams.

Recruiting has been inconsistent.

UT has had 2 losing seasons in this decade.

UT has gone 3-5 in bowl games since 2000.

Listen, traditionally, UT is a top 10 school all time, but right now, this just isn't a top 5 elite program. I'm not lying or hating or anything. I'm just stating facts. It still is top 15-25 for sure. UT has won the east 3 times sine 2000, and had four 10 win seasons.

BUT - The fan base has UNREALISTIC expectations at this time, and few coaches want to step into something like that. The only reason Kiffin did was because he wanted to use UT to propel himself to another position.
 
#79
#79
crusse10 said:
In 67 we lost 2 games including our bowl game, if you call that a NC...whatever
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We would. :) Well probably not by 1967. But everyone knows that the SEC is the best league in the country and that, as a program, Tennessee is at worst the second best team in the league. Tradition, huge stadium, nationwide recruiting base. Great alumni. Yeah, it's just the timing royally sucked. There are a lot of great coaches who might have taken this job who are too classy to do so at this point in the year. Nobody wants to pull a Kiffin. NFL coaches and assistants are probably the best way to go.
 
#80
#80
AFL2008 said:
Listen man, these are just the facts:

Tennessee hasn't won the conference since 1998.
In the last 5 years they are #6 in the SEC going 21-20 in SEC conference play.
In the last decade they are #5 at 51-32 in SEC play.

Since 2000, they are #22 in overall winning percentage, going 83-44. Good for 5th out of all SEC teams.

Recruiting has been inconsistent.

UT has had 2 losing seasons in this decade.

UT has gone 3-5 in bowl games since 2000.

Listen, traditionally, UT is a top 10 school all time, but right now, this just isn't a top 5 elite program. I'm not lying or hating or anything. I'm just stating facts. It still is top 15-25 for sure. UT has won the east 3 times sine 2000, and had four 10 win seasons.

BUT - The fan base has UNREALISTIC expectations at this time, and few coaches want to step into something like that. The only reason Kiffin did was because he wanted to use UT to propel himself to another position.
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I know this makes you gag, but Bama is your model. Same situation. In a deep and dark hole. Got the right guy and three years later are back on top. Tennessee can do the exact same thing. Great young players to build on, and a good hire can recover this class as well.
 
#81
#81
BamainBoston said:
We would. :) Well probably not by 1967. But everyone knows that the SEC is the best league in the country and that, as a program, Tennessee is at worst the second best team in the league. Tradition, huge stadium, nationwide recruiting base. Great alumni. Yeah, it's just the timing royally sucked. There are a lot of great coaches who might have taken this job who are too classy to do so at this point in the year. Nobody wants to pull a Kiffin. NFL coaches and assistants are probably the best way to go.
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Once again, a rival fan smarter than some of our own.
 
#82
#82
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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I'm guessing you're not even 25 years old.
 
#83
#83
TrueOrange said:
Actually the hard truth is we got screwed really hard by a coach and no one else wants to pick up and move 2-3 weeks before signing day...(since well, they have integrity among other things and dont want to make a mess like this at another school or leave all these kids whom they told they would still be there)
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it is the timing of LK departure that is killing our chances with another coach.

When we approach a Calhoun or Peterson we are asking them to basically pull a "Kiffin" and walkaway from their team, recruits, and school...the same thing we all went nuts about on Tuesday.

I am for Kippy Brown and I think we come out of this quicker than we think.

As to stepping stone program...no we are not anymore than anywhere else, coaches in today's world are hired to be fired unless they find greener pastures when at their apex. It is what it is ... be it Tennessee or USC.

GO VOLS HIRE KIPPY!
 
#84
#84
I call BS.
If Fulmer would have left after the 2002 season we could have gotten any coach that we wanted. If we have lost our "luster" you can place that blame on Fulmers shoulders. He stayed way to long.
Currently we are the 3rd best job in the SEC
1. Bama (kills me to say it) but they are the champs
2. UF Florida is just Florida
3. UT, where else can a coach go and have 100k screaming fans EVERY WEEK.
We have some of the best facilities in the country. We have more tradition than most other schools in the SEC. UT is a VERY good job, for the right guy.
 
#85
#85
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I call BS.
If Fulmer would have left after the 2002 season we could have gotten any coach that we wanted. If we have lost our "luster" you can place that blame on Fulmers shoulders. He stayed way to long.
Currently we are the 3rd best job in the SEC
1. Bama (kills me to say it) but they are the champs
2. UF Florida is just Florida
3. UT, where else can a coach go and have 100k screaming fans EVERY WEEK.
We have some of the best facilities in the country. We have more tradition than most other schools in the SEC. UT is a VERY good job, for the right guy.
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Normally I would agree, but right now, given the circumstances, this is a tough job to sell.
 
#86
#86
BamainBoston said:
I know this makes you gag, but Bama is your model. Same situation. In a deep and dark hole. Got the right guy and three years later are back on top. Tennessee can do the exact same thing. Great young players to build on, and a good hire can recover this class as well.
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Everybody gave Bama hell for stepping up to the table and paying the money to get who they wanted, their (dream coach). However much Bama pains me, i have to respect that. I wish UT would do the same.
PAY THE MONEY!!!
If you want to be happy with 7-5 seasons with a few 5-7's thrown in there, hire some second rate coach.
We should start from the top down and by the top i mean Bill Cowher. Start with Bill and go from there.
We are Tennessee!
 
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#87
#87
BamainBoston said:
I know this makes you gag, but Bama is your model. Same situation. In a deep and dark hole. Got the right guy and three years later are back on top. Tennessee can do the exact same thing. Great young players to build on, and a good hire can recover this class as well.
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The difference is, Bama was being held back by the steep NCAA penalties. They didn't fully recover for a while. They were in a much better situation when Saban arrived than ANY coach will be in 2010 for UT.

I mean think about it, even if UT lands 20 recruits this year, which looks questionable, They'll still be down 20 Scholarship players.... that is insane! In any conference, but especially the SEC.
 
#88
#88
AFL2008 said:
Normally I would agree, but right now, given the circumstances, this is a tough job to sell.
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Only because MH said that he would have a coach by Sunday. He is asking the new coach to pull a Kiffin and MOST are not willing to do that.
 
#90
#90
IMO if it takes till the end of Feb. i am happy, as long as we get the right guy.
This is not something that you rush into. Yeah, i know kitten screwed us in the timing of it. But, you have to step back and realize, making a quick hire could set this program back 10 years.
 
#91
#91
I haven't read all the posts but the hard truth is UT is a very difficult job. On the positive side your have first class facilities, stadium, etc. Another positive is a very passionate fan base but when they turn on you it hurts so it kind of cancels out.

This thing that makes the job so difficult is recruiting. You are going up against the top programs in the country and are forced to go into their back yards and recruit. Going out nationally and recruiting is difficult on people who hold their families in the highest regard. You need someone young, energetic, and that is willing to hit the road and put in the work. Fact is a lot of the names that have been mentioned have cush jobs, positions, etc. and do not want the headache. I can't say I blame them. But UT will be fine. It may be a few rough years but hey, it's just a game. You could always be a Vandy fan! OUCH!
 
#92
#92
Brave Volunteer said:
No5.) The path to the BCS Championship game is much easier in the PAC 10 than in the SEC.
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Had to fix that point. The SEC champion has never lost a BCS championship games and dominates over all other conferences in number of wins.

So, the path to getting to the game is easier from outside, but you have to have help from someone else (another team in the SEC Championship game or voters) in keeping the SEC champ out of it; otherwise, all history to date confirms the SEC Champs' opponent loses the game.
 
#93
#93
I just have a hard time believing that with hard-working, dedicated recruiting staffs that have been able to land Top 10 recruiting classes pretty regularly (I know, window dressing) with our tradition and fanbase we aren't something special to someone.

I mean if two slimeballs (Lane & Orgeron) can have us competing for top talent while putting out a .500 product on the field, and Fulmer wins 150 games here, surely someone with a resume, a vision, and some dedication can end up the coach of the Tennessee Vols. I am trying not to view it through orange glasses, and just look at it more cut & dry, but it just baffles me that we're in discussions with some of these coaches.
 
#94
#94
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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get you one of these
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and go to a tall

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and do us all a favor please..

k thanks
 
#97
#97
The hard truth is that the time of year coupled with the fact we are in the SEC East is the problem. Point being, if there were a 16 or 24 team playoff for NC, the coaches would be beating Hammy's door down for (IMO) the BEST job in the land.GBO!
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#98
#98
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
hey, i try. gotta do something as a fan of a second tier team as you say
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If you disagree, you must've been unable to see the games from the cloud you're on. A top tier team without a storied championship tradition doesn't remain top tier after having 2 losing seasons in 5 years.
 
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