Hard Truth

#52
#52
I see it similar to Cincy. Cincy was 2 more 11 win seasons away from being in the top tier, possibly. ND, however, had an opening. Enter - Brian Kelly.
 
#54
#54
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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Ridiculous...Those paint chips you ate as a kid have really killed a lot of brain cells. :jpshakehead:
 
#55
#55
lawgator1 said:
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Take a look again -- I am agreeing with you.

Reading, its fundamental.

Don't make me regret taking you off of my ignore list.
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I don't believe I was ever on it there LG. You always seemed to know what I was posting.
I know what you were saying. My point was that he "brought" you out and now HE can have fun with you :)
 
#56
#56
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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Arent we number 2 in bowl wins and top 10 in all time wins!:nono:
 
#57
#57
The hard truth is, no smart coach is going to take this job right now.

Why?

1. UT is down about 40 scholarships, not including whatever survives the carnage that used to be the 2010 recruiting class.
2. There are only 19 days until national signing day.
3. Even with all the depth chart deficiencies, UT fans still demand the success of a elite top 5 team, when the fact is UT is barely hanging on to top 15-25 status as a program.
So, you have a lot of pressure, and not a lot to work with.

To sum up, no good coaches want to take the risk of being in a high pressure, low success situation this close to signing day. They don't want the black mark of being fired 3-4 years from now for poor performance and being replaced by someone else when the school is on the mend.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Ridiculous...Those paint chips you ate as a kid have really killed a lot of brain cells. :jpshakehead:
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He is 100% correct. Let's face it, we have won 1 Natioanl Championship in the last 50 years and we are 10 years removed from an SEC title. Some here are delusional in thinking we are still an elite program.
 
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AFL2008 said:
3. Even with all the depth chart deficiencies, UT fans still demand the success of a elite top 5 team, when the fact is UT is barely hanging on to top 15-25 status as a program.
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absolutely false but why would I expect anything more from your posts
 
#60
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T-TownVol said:
I don't believe I was ever on it there LG. You always seemed to know what I was posting.
I know what you were saying. My point was that he "brought" you out and now HE can have fun with you :)
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Like I have ever felt the need for an excuse to enter the fray.
 
#61
#61
Total BS! We are down right now. Tell me a program that hasn't been down. Alabama was in a very similar situation and look at them now. Blame Fulmer for running it so low and now loud mouth has punched us in the mouth just as we were getting up from the mat. No 8 count yet though! We will rise.
 
#62
#62
I'll go ahead and explain my reasoning for saying this. As I mentioned, I consider the top tier to be dream jobs. They are jobs that you can't pass up, no matter what. They are jobs that once you get, you stay there until you're ready to retire/jump to the NFL.

Coaches have turned us down left and right. Twice. You don't do that with a dream job. You take it because it is the natural progression. Does that clear it up at all?
 
#63
#63
UT is not a stepping stone. Coaches just have different goals in mind. USC will be a stepping stone for Kiffin to get back to the NFL...just like Carrol. If Meyer were a pro style coach then Florida would be that for him to get an NFL gig. If Phillip Fulmer would have been secure enough in his abilities, you guys would have a long list of coordinators that would consider UT a "Dream Job."
 
#64
#64
So following that reasoning Notre Dame is a stepping stone, even though most people feel that is the pinnacle of the college football world

Notre Dame bowl record since 2002
1-4, also declined two "non-prestigious" bowl games they probably would have lost

Notre Dame obviously doesn't have a conference, but judging by their recent lack of success across the board I would say they are not representing well against other conferences

14-13 record against the Big Ten since 2002

19-21 against their rivals (USC, Michigan, Michigan St, Purdue, and Navy) since 2002

5-10 against rivals in the last 3 years

So following you logic Notre Dame is a stepping stone as well

UT's hit a bad snap because the Cali boy Kiffin jumped ship. It's still one of the top jobs in the country (best facilities, best conference, highest recruiting budget, Neyland, Vol Nation, etc. etc. etc.)
 
#65
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Pooods said:
Total BS! We are down right now. Tell me a program that hasn't been down. Alabama was in a very similar situation and look at them now. Blame Fulmer for running it so low and now loud mouth has punched us in the mouth just as we were getting up from the mat. No 8 count yet though! We will rise.
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Bama also had no problem getting a coach who, in 3 years, got a national championship. "Dream jobs" include schools that need multiple hands to count championship rings.
 
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crusse10 said:
I'll go ahead and explain my reasoning for saying this. As I mentioned, I consider the top tier to be dream jobs. They are jobs that you can't pass up, no matter what. They are jobs that once you get, you stay there until you're ready to retire/jump to the NFL.

Coaches have turned us down left and right. Twice. You don't do that with a dream job. You take it because it is the natural progression. Does that clear it up at all?
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The sad part of this is that the gator fans are smarter than you are.
 
#67
#67
Huge fan by whose definition.Have you ever even been a season ticket holder.We won a national championship not much over 10 years ago and our coach got big and fatter and most of all lazy. I put it all on Fulmer he quit on us anyway you spin it.So now we have some bumps in the road big deal.I think Kiffin as much as it pains me to say it for what he did to us could have put us back to that level.So now we are in a bind does anyone want to walk in MH shoes right now.Yes it is a mess but the real orange bloods will be there when it counts.If somebody wants to give up on us become a Vandy fan.
 
#68
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crusse10 said:
Bama also had no problem getting a coach who, in 3 years, got a national championship. "Dream jobs" include schools that need multiple hands to count championship rings.
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Tennessee has 6. I'm no mathematician but I believe you need 2 hands to count that high.
 
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tennfever said:
Huge fan by whose definition.Have you ever even been a season ticket holder.We won a national championship not much over 10 years ago and our coach got big and fatter and most of all lazy. I put it all on Fulmer he quit on us anyway you spin it.So now we have some bumps in the road big deal.I think Kiffin as much as it pains me to say it for what he did to us could have put us back to that level.So now we are in a bind does anyone want to walk in MH shoes right now.Yes it is a mess but the real orange bloods will be there when it counts.If somebody wants to give up on us become a Vandy fan.
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Well, my first 4 years at UT I marched in the Pride (just so I got payed to go to away games). I also played in the men's b-ball pep band all 4 years. I went to the women's championship in 08. While being fairly young in comparison, I am about as much of a "season ticket holder" as possible. I'm not giving up, though. I am true to my team, and no matter who the coach is, I'll still be at every game. I won't boycott Pilot gas stations. I won't leave the stadium early. I will back my team 100%. Just because I can tell our program isn't what it once was doesn't make me a bad fan. Leaving a game because of jersey color does that...
 
#71
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crusse10 said:
I see it similar to Cincy. Cincy was 2 more 11 win seasons away from being in the top tier, possibly. ND, however, had an opening. Enter - Brian Kelly.
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they won the big east i dont know how many times the last few years; they weren't going to be top tier (b/c cincy's basketball history is much stronger than its football legacy) though they would have still been successful

yeah but Kelly left 2 months before signing day and it was reasonably understood because of how many times his name kept appearing in coaching searches...but he left them enough time to find another coach before NSD

Kiffin left 3 weeks before (in a single day might I add) and took the entire staff and recruits with him, and left the program in utter shambles...with little, pressed time to find someone else


I'd say best way might be to think about Bama after Francione and Price left in that one year period; that's where we were left now and that's what we're in for
 
#72
#72
I don't agree with the OP, but I will say this: Hamilton has to get control of this thing.

This is starting to get embarrassing in the national media. He needs to lock it down quickly, or the exit of recruits will intensify.
 
#73
#73
Not everybody is like Kiffin some guys have feelings for there players and jumping ship now would put them in a tough spot.Another time of the year and they would be lining up for this job.That's why Kippy makes sense his hire hurts no one and its taking a chance yes but together a great coaching staff minus the hog Orgeron and all will start getting better
 
#74
#74
UT used to be big time---fulmer and kiffin brought the program's reputation way down.
 
#75
#75
TrueOrange said:
Actually the hard truth is we got screwed really hard by a coach and no one else wants to pick up and move 2-3 weeks before signing day...(since well, they have integrity among other things and dont want to make a mess like this at another school or leave all these kids whom they told they would still be there)
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This couldn't have happened at a worse time..what coach is going to want to leave now with recruiting being so important except for the low-life Kiffin (not all coaches are like him) so I think we should let Kippy go with it on an interim basis and take our time. It is RIDICULOUS how ESPN plays the Cutcliffe matter...HE turned US down, are you kidding me, he knew we were looking at others and he wanted to bring his staff which we didn't agree with SO WE did not comply with his ultimatum! We need to keep our cool and not behave like bammers "we bowling" drunken bums at the airport to greet the 'low-life' who stuck it to Miami!
 
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