Hard Truth

#29
#29
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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No we are not a "stepping stone" program. We are still a premiere program with tons of upside.

The thing that many are overlooking with the whole Kiffin debacle is that Tennessee was a victim of the "perfect storm." Kiffn had resided in CA for many years. He played football in CA, he coached in CA at both the college and pro level. It's home to he and his family. Absolutely no one saw the Pete Carrol resignation coming. No one! Including Kiffin. Southern Cal had approached other coaches first before they offered Kiffin. Kiffin understood all of the pluses if he went to USC...

1.) Already a premiere powerhouse that doesn't need rebuilding.

2.) The chance to move his family back "home."

3.) CA is much more fertile ground for in-state talent to recruit.

4.) More money & exposure.

5.) The path to the BCS Championship is much easier in the PAC 10 than in the SEC.

I am very confident that Kiffin would have never left UT for any other college EXCEPT USC. Yes the timing absolutely sucked and to many this appeared to be a complete "dick" move by Kiffin. However I honestly do not blame him. If I were in his shoes I would've probably made the same decision.
 
#31
#31
I think "stepping stone" analysis is basically just a big overreaction to a momentarily distressing problem. I said it the day after LK left, you ought to have a good riddance attitude, the guy is trouble and now thats pretty clear to everyone, I think.

But, that in no way translates into saying that UT is a stepping stone program. You just need to find the right fit.

I recall Florida after Spurrier left. Tried, like, four or five guys who passed because they all knew it was going to be a few bad years of rebuilding and that fans would be impatient. So we had Zook, who recruited lights out, and now Meyer, and pretty much anyone would give their left testicle to be the coach at UF. Its not stepping stone, its timing.
 
#33
#33
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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I am a Memphis fan and this statement is just crazy. You won a national championship less than 15 years ago and went to the SEC championship game 2 years ago. A $3 billion media contract is about to kick in and you are part of a conference that has won four straight national championships. Step back from the ledge man.

We went through a similar situation (scumbag coach leaving and trying to take recruits) last season, you may have heard about it. We had similar ups and downs with names being thrown around as replacement coaches. I would bet $10 our AD is more incompetent than yours and we somehow lucked into Pastner. But RC sure tried to give it Tim Floyd, Scott Drew, and Leonard Hamilton. You guys will get a good coach.

I dislike UT as much as any self-respecting Memphis should, but the UT football job is far from a stepping stone.
 
#34
#34
crusse10 said:
I'm a huge fan. I want our team to win every game and I love the Vols. I'm just able to look at the situation and say that our recent history shows that we have lost our luster.
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we may have lost a little luster and not be in the championship picture every year as of late but that still doesnt mean we are a stepping stone
 
#36
#36
lawgator1 said:
I think "stepping stone" analysis is basically just a big overreaction to a momentarily distressing problem. I said it the day after LK left, you ought to have a good riddance attitude, the guy is trouble and now thats pretty clear to everyone, I think.

But, that in no way translates into saying that UT is a stepping stone program. You just need to find the right fit.

I recall Florida after Spurrier left. Tried, like, four or five guys who passed because they all knew it was going to be a few bad years of rebuilding and that fans would be impatient. So we had Zook, who recruited lights out, and now Meyer, and pretty much anyone would give their left testicle to be the coach at UF. Its not stepping stone, its timing.
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Great, see what you did Crusse. You and LG can hold each others hand.
 
#38
#38
Brave Volunteer said:
No we are not a "stepping stone" program. We are still a premiere program with tons of upside.

The thing that many are overlooking with the whole Kiffin debacle is that Tennessee was a victim of the "perfect storm." Kiffn had resided in CA for many years. He played football in CA, he coached in CA at both the college and pro level. It's home to he and his family. Absolutely no one saw the Pete Carrol resignation coming. No one! Including Kiffin. Southern Cal had approached other coaches first before they offered Kiffin. Kiffin understood all of the pluses if he went to USC...

1.) Already a premiere powerhouse that doesn't need rebuilding.

2.) The chance to move his family back "home."

3.) CA has much more fertile in-state talent to recruit.

4.) More money & exposure.

5.) The path to the BCS Championship is much easier in the PAC 10 than in the SEC.

I am very confident that Kiffin would have never left UT for any other college EXCEPT USC. Yes the timing absolutely sucked and to many this appeared to be a complete "dick" move by Kiffin. However I honestly do not blame him. If I were in his shoes I would've probably made the same decision.
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Well one way or another, the actuallity of this event is what makes it a dick move. Both in how it was done (he bolted in a day) and how it really badly hurt one party (us) in a way that can set them back 3-4 years

Had he said he was leaving early, like enough time to find another coach - like most coaches at schools decently do - it would be one thing, but he found out, packed his boxes, said "k bye" and was out of there faster than the Colts left Baltimore
 
#41
#41
crusse10 said:
We are a stepping stone program. It's time the fans accept it. We've been awful in bowl games, we don't represent our conference well against other conferences, and we can't beat our rivals. The head coach at UT isn't what it was 10 years ago, 50 years ago, or 70 years ago. It's currently a job that is good, but prospective coaches feel like they can do better.
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You are an !#@*_ ,Please dont post here with all that negative garbage.. I have been a Vol fan for 44 years and you will be hard pressed to find 5 programs with better statistics.

We were in the SEC champ game 2 years ago and 11 years removed from a NC.

Go find something to do. I imagine you look something like this.:crazy:
 
#42
#42
lawgator1 said:
I think "stepping stone" analysis is basically just a big overreaction to a momentarily distressing problem. I said it the day after LK left, you ought to have a good riddance attitude, the guy is trouble and now thats pretty clear to everyone, I think.

But, that in no way translates into saying that UT is a stepping stone program. You just need to find the right fit.

I recall Florida after Spurrier left. Tried, like, four or five guys who passed because they all knew it was going to be a few bad years of rebuilding and that fans would be impatient. So we had Zook, who recruited lights out, and now Meyer, and pretty much anyone would give their left testicle to be the coach at UF. Its not stepping stone, its timing.
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you know...that actually kinda makes a bit of sense for once :)
 
#43
#43
I feel that what most consider a "stepping stone" is slightly different than what I consider it. To me, it's a springboard job. It's a quick turn-around that will push an up-and-comer into the top spots in the BCS (The USCs and Floridas of the world). Bringing us back to 10-win seasons shows that the coach knows what he is doing, but it doesn't secure that coach in staying at UT. Because of our competition, we will have a hard path to the NC every year. We are the last stone across the river, but at this moment, we don't seem like the destination, but the last stop before the destination.
 
#45
#45
crusse10 said:
All said no. Doesn't that mean they don't want it?
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If you were so in the know as you think. You would read other sources such as GVX,ESPN,SN and would know that "NO OFFER HAS BEEN MADE TO ANY COACH" per the Athletic Director at the University of Tennessee.

I dont know how a source can be more in the know than the AD..:banghead2:

You guys are :banghead2:
 
#47
#47
crusse10 said:
I feel that what most consider a "stepping stone" is slightly different than what I consider it. To me, it's a springboard job. It's a quick turn-around that will push an up-and-comer into the top spots in the BCS (The USCs and Floridas of the world). Bringing us back to 10-win seasons shows that the coach knows what he is doing, but it doesn't secure that coach in staying at UT. Because of our competition, we will have a hard path to the NC every year. We are the last stone across the river, but at this moment, we don't seem like the destination, but the last stop before the destination.
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So you say a job's a stepping stone if it isn't one of the top 3-4 powerhouse schools essentially?

Stepping stones are the schools where continually - if they do get a good coach - he's gone in 2-4 years with offers the school can't afford to match

we're not a powerhouse but we're certainly not a stepping stone either
 
#48
#48
bluetickhound16 said:
Some of it, yes. I'll grant you that but Tennessee is still a plum job in CFB. If we were looking for a coach in March or even October we'd be deluged with candidates. Because we're 2 weeks and change away from NSD it's going to be hard to find someone who'll do what Kiffin did to us....
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Tennessee is one of the hardest coaching jobs in the nation. The talent level in-state is considerably below our sister states, except maybe Kentucky, thus necessitating a nation-wide recruiting effort. Recruiting is grueling, but having to do it from Maine to California is extra tough.

Also, the competition in the conference is daunting. No school has to run such a gauntlet as the SEC as our fellow conference members do.

This is not a job for the faint-hearted or the complacent. The coaching talent in this conference exceeds any other by a mile. That's exactly why Fulmer got left in the dust. His coaching ability didn't suddenly diminish, the competition just got better coaches, in a hurry. Steve Spurrier used to be the conference genius. Now he's just an afterthought.
 
#49
#49
TrueOrange said:
So you say a job's a stepping stone if it isn't one of the top 3-4 powerhouse schools essentially?

Stepping stones are the schools where continually - if they do get a good coach - he's gone in 2-4 years with offers the school can't afford to match

we're not a powerhouse but we're certainly not a stepping stone either
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I don't consider it powerhouses, but more like "dream jobs". In the late 90s, we were a dream job. Even into the beginning of the 200s we were a dream job. Now, though...We're the next tier. I feel that if you aren't a "dream job", you aren't in the top tier. If you aren't in the top tier, you're only a stepping stone to the top tier.
 
#50
#50
crusse10 said:
I don't consider it powerhouses, but more like "dream jobs". In the late 90s, we were a dream job. Even into the beginning of the 200s we were a dream job. Now, though...We're the next tier. I feel that if you aren't a "dream job", you aren't in the top tier. If you aren't in the top tier, you're only a stepping stone to the top tier.
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Solution: Get a coach to take you back to first tier.
 
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