Hands Up Don't Shoot?

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Grand Vol said:
Does that study make any distinction on good shoots versus bad shoots?

And I like the Canada analogy. Makes perfect sense with the populations being almost equal...
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I don't know for sure. 136 people killed in a month and a half is still a very high number.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I don't know for sure. 136 people killed in a month and a half is still a very high number.
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Could be. But I know that author has never been in Iceland before, but obviously can tout their "fair" LEOs there.

And let me tell you I have been there. And they don't give a moment's pause before whooping your ass if you look at them wrong. And not just one, but a whole group of them can and likely will put your ass in a hospital and be perfectly legal because you refused to give blood as required for a DUI stop. I saw someone complaining about it in the other thread and there are far worse things than putting a bag over someone's head.

If the author wants to complain about how "bad" American cops are and compare them to other nations, he should at the very least have been to those countries and seen the kind of **** they get away with.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Once again the common theme here is a victim displaying an intense amount of dumbassery......any fool would know that the very least thats going to happen is a severe beat down
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Plenty of demonstrated dumbassery in these here forums. Maybe the cops ought to just kill most of the posters here.
 
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LouderVol said:
i did a little digging and it turns out we had 102 times more cops die in the line of duty than the UK did. so the US is more violent in general not just cop vs civie.

Report: Number Of Police Officers Killed Spikes In 2014 : The Two-Way : NPR

List of British police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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1. In the line of duty does not necessarily entail that other individuals killed them. A cop who has a heart attack while on duty is listed as dying in the line of duty.

2. Maybe British LEO are healthier than American LEO...?

3. I wonder what the contrast is when controlled for deaths due to health and population discrepancies between the US and the UK (I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the US has a much larger population than the UK).
 
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Grand Vol said:
Could be. But I know that author has never been in Iceland before, but obviously can tout their "fair" LEOs there.

And let me tell you I have been there. And they don't give a moment's pause before whooping your ass if you look at them wrong. And not just one, but a whole group of them can and likely will put your ass in a hospital and be perfectly legal because you refused to give blood as required for a DUI stop. I saw someone complaining about it in the other thread and there are far worse things than putting a bag over someone's head.

If the author wants to complain about how "bad" American cops are and compare them to other nations, he should at the very least have been to those countries and seen the kind of **** they get away with.
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The author is a she for the record.

Regardless of whether she has been to Iceland is irrelevant, 136 is astronomical in a month and a half. Even the pro cop fellas here have to admit that. Does that number give credence to the shoot first mentality that we hear about?
 
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I guess no one wants to discuss how different this would be if this was a concealed carry holder doing the same thing...
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The author is a she for the record.
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My apologies to her.

DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Regardless of whether she has been to Iceland is irrelevant, 136 is astronomical in a month and a half. Even the pro cop fellas here have to admit that. Does that number give credence to the shoot first mentality that we hear about?
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Again, that number does seem abnormally high, but there are no conditional factors listed. But how does that number compare to years past? Is it going up/down? Is it relatively the same? And again, the validity of the situation determines if the shootings were correct or not.

No, the number does not give any credence to the shoot first mentality since there are no historical baselines to go off of.
 
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therealUT said:
1. In the line of duty does not necessarily entail that other individuals killed them. A cop who has a heart attack while on duty is listed as dying in the line of duty.

2. Maybe British LEO are healthier than American LEO...?

3. I wonder what the contrast is when controlled for deaths due to health and population discrepancies between the US and the UK (I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the US has a much larger population than the UK).
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102 times the population? its more along the lines of 6.5 times, last numbers i saw was 52 million for them. also if you look at the link it breaks down how they died seems like the only number you can discount in there break down is accidental shooting (doesn't say if the cop did it cleaning a gun or if he was shot by another cop in action) it does say suicides and self domestic issues weren't counted. (cop killed by wife)

*heart attacks and illness are included: 13 in 2013.
 
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Grand Vol said:
My apologies to her.



Again, that number does seem abnormally high, but there are no conditional factors listed. But how does that number compare to years past? Is it going up/down? Is it relatively the same? And again, the validity of the situation determines if the shootings were correct or not.

No, the number does not give any credence to the shoot first mentality since there are no historical baselines to go off of.
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Here is the link from the article that gives details of each death. Seems like a lot to go through.

Killed By Police - 2015
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Here is the link from the article that gives details of each death. Seems like a lot to go through.

Killed By Police - 2015
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I've got some time. But already in the first ten clicks or so I'm seeing a trend of the same thing over and over. That the assailant either took shots at the officers or attacked them in some way.

Only two jump out in the first few links I clicked.
 
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utvolpj said:
One of the smartest guys in my school got pulled out of testing in HS because they thought he was cheating. Very funny at the time
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They made me retake my writing evaluation on the ACT because they thought I had somehow smuggled my essay into class, which meant I had known what the subject would have been. They had suspicions because it was about 7.5 pages that I had written in less than thirty minutes.

The retake paper I wrote, in my opinion, was even better... so I wasn't too pissed.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You don't get it. No matter how many times I explicitly state my position, you don't get it. If you did, you wouldn't respond with this.
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Oh I get it..... I just think you fail to see the obvious common factor of every one of these execution videos you post and comment on.
 
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therealUT said:
Plenty of demonstrated dumbassery in these here forums. Maybe the cops ought to just kill most of the posters here.
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I think even the dumbest poster in this forum has enough sense to know if you act a fool with the cops it's not going to turn out I your favor..... I could be wrong
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
It blows my mind how so many supposedly grown ass men are so accepting of this.
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I'm not saying that I accept it..... I'm saying if you act a fool with the cops you're gonna get an azz beating or worse.

I question the first shot more than the numerous ones as he turns around after running.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I'm not saying that I accept it..... I'm saying if you act a fool with the cops you're gonna get an azz beating or worse.

I question the first shot more than the numerous ones as he turns around after running.
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"or worse" is the real problem.

I would rather have my "ass beat" a million times than have my life taken away.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Oh I get it..... I just think you fail to see the obvious common factor of every one of these execution videos you post and comment on.
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I think your line for "acting a fool" is way too blurry. I would consider acting a fool along the lines of discharging a firearm 15 times in an area heavily populated by men, women, and children in parked cars. Maybe someone with a CC should have gotten out and shot those cops in the back.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I'm not saying that I accept it..... I'm saying if you act a fool with the cops you're gonna get an azz beating or worse.

I question the first shot more than the numerous ones as he turns around after running.
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Don't break the law. Don't throw rocks. Don't be a perceived threat. Don't put yourself in a position where someone has to make a decision when they have a gun.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I think your line for "acting a fool" is way too blurry. I would consider acting a fool along the lines of discharging a firearm 15 times in an area heavily populated by men, women, and children in parked cars. Maybe someone with a CC should have gotten out and shot those cops in the back.
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so 14 times and you get to walk? Throwing rocks isn't a laughing matter, i am more surprised someone didn't get out of their car after being pegged and beat his ass. I think everyone would agree that would be a better outcome. but throwing rocks at random people is definitely 'acting the fool' just asking for something dumb to happen.
 
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