Hamilton still brought in an underqualified candidate

#26
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SoCalFan said:
I am a Duke alum married to a USC alum and we go to the home football games. So I have followed these events very closely. I have always thought highly of Tennessee football and know that it has very passionate fans.

Here are some things I don't quite understand:
1. Why was Fulmer let go? Was it just for a change or are you looking to compete with Meyer etc?

2. Why Kiffin? I don't remember the timing. Were you rushed into it? Was he the first choice? I thought he was a bad hire by the Raiders, a bad hire by Tenn and a bad hire by USC.

3. Did Kiffin do a good job?

4. Why was his buy out only $800K? Peanuts in todays world. That would not stop a top college or any pro program. Was your AD trying to keep him from taking a high school job?

5. Duke loves Cutcliffe. Why did so many not want him here?

It just appears to me that Tenn wants to compete with the big boys but wants to do it on the cheap. I hope Dooley is successful. If he is then you will have to open the pocketbooks. Do you have the resources?

Wish USC luck with Kiffin. I am not sure that he is as bad as everyone says but he very well could be.

SoCal
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Being a Duke alum I'm not surprised you know nothing about college football.
1. Fulmer was let go because he let the proud football program slide into irrelevant mediocrity.
2. Kiffin was a huge mistake made by an AD that is currently on shaky ground.
3. No
4. See #2.
5. He spent many years as a Tennessee OC and most wanted new blood. However, a lot of Volunteer fans appreciated his ability to elevate the program when Phil was letting it slip but again, you can't go home.
But to ask if Tennessee has resources shows your ignorance regarding college football, or college athletics for that matter. Are you sure you're a Duke alum?
 
#27
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I am a Duke alum married to a USC alum and we go to the home football games. So I have followed these events very closely. I have always thought highly of Tennessee football and know that it has very passionate fans.

Here are some things I don't quite understand:
1. Why was Fulmer let go? Was it just for a change or are you looking to compete with Meyer etc?

2. Why Kiffin? I don't remember the timing. Were you rushed into it? Was he the first choice? I thought he was a bad hire by the Raiders, a bad hire by Tenn and a bad hire by USC.

3. Did Kiffin do a good job?

4. Why was his buy out only $800K? Peanuts in todays world. That would not stop a top college or any pro program. Was your AD trying to keep him from taking a high school job?

5. Duke loves Cutcliffe. Why did so many not want him here?

It just appears to me that Tenn wants to compete with the big boys but wants to do it on the cheap. I hope Dooley is successful. If he is then you will have to open the pocketbooks. Do you have the resources?
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Wish USC luck with Kiffin. I am not sure that he is as bad as everyone says but he very well could be.
I am going to try to help understand to the best of my ability
here goes.
1. Fulmer was let because it seem he was coasting on last 5years of coaching
case in point 1 SEC championship game against LSU When we were great and had great talent
both the starting QB and RB was knock out of the game (LSU's)we lost!!! costing us a shot at the nalt championship game you may say
that it happens look at the roster UT's and you will see we weren't suppose to lose that game and we problem win the Natl championship game going away!
plus the number of arrest of players and having a losing season when Defense was stacked and returning almost all the offensive starters preseason ranked #3
we went 5-6 Fulmers first losing season!

2.we weren't getting our full our faces beat in by the big 3 (who we owned in late 90's early 2000's) that's Florida,Bama, and Georgia couple of close games
but there had turned into straight A$$ kickings

3. Fulmer recruiting ablility had slipped with Trojans becoming a power again we couldn't get the guys we were getting
along with Florida recruits,Georgia's and Alabama etc.

4. We rushed into with Kiffin because full we had a top 10 class and we didn't want to lose them also Kiffin is good don't care what nobody says
look at Crompton and the walk online

5. And yes with what Kiffin was able to do wip the Big Ugly's in shape showing no favorites (check out Montario Hardesty against Cal in Knoxvile didn't get his starting job
until Kiffin comes everyone knows he was suppose to start) and able to be competetive with Alabama a block from a win, losing by 10 to Florida and destorying Georgia

I wanted Cutcliffe check out Fulmer first losing season next season Cut comes back the same team goes 10-3, a lot of people didn't want the old regeme back
they wanted change and thought that 9 or just 10 wins is what Cut would be satified with


The reason we went cheap with Kiffin (this is another reason we loved kiffin) we were to prepared to pay
3-4 mill a year kiffin wanted to 2 and spread the wealth to the rest of the staff in order to get a great staff
Fulmer was making I believe 5million a year and the staff wasn't making alot and they sucked! let the record show! Kiffin said at his speech that UT has some of the best facilities,Stadium, and fans
SoCal facilities aren't like ours and memorial stadium is a dump we pack out in the hay day over 100k so we know we have to pay a coach and have better facilities.
 
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HwyChile said:
Lovie Smith is not such a great candidate. He will be fired soon, and the people in Chicago, including the players, say he is incompetent. Kyle Wittingham did not want the job. You cannot force someone to take a job that they do not want. The bottom line is that this is the best UT could do. Live with it.
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Not even close to the best. Sign Kippy to a 2 year deal with an easy out for the university with the understanding that UT is looking for the coach of the future. Kippy recruits well , gives the university some press and stock for being an NFL veteran and one of 4 black coaches, and returns UT to ' Wide receiver U.

When a PROVEN commodity is available we bring them in.

i have nothing against Dooley and hope for the best . He is under qualified at best. Lets hope this SEC schedule doesn't snatch him up like a poot in a whirlwind.
 
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#31
TennaciousUTfan: i posted this in the other thread but you started this one so wanted to make sure you got my response

I am curious to know if there is a list of coaches that were offered because I would like to see it. I want to know that Hamilton got the best guy that he could because the offers were made. I've heard people say Hamilton looked exhausted but I think he should have looked more like death on a cracker. Until we know for sure who was NOT offered I think it's safe to say this is the best he could do. If Cut was really offered before Dooley that is sad. I would think these negotiations were going on simultaneously.

I've been hung up on and really hoping for Bud Foster... I wanted him badly and as far as I know there was no phone call made to him. I could name several others that I wanted more but they would have been 1st time head coaches so in comparisson Dooley at least had HC & recruiting experience.

I challenge you to name a coach other than Wittingham that was not offered who is more qualified than dooley. And remember Wittingham is 1 year removed from an undefeated season and a decent claim to the national title that year. Not sure why you think a guy like wittingham would leave a team that is rockin it like that. Maybe you have no respect for Utah.. i dunno
 
#32
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volmark said:
TennaciousUTfan: i posted this in the other thread but you started this one so wanted to make sure you got my response

I am curious to know if there is a list of coaches that were offered because I would like to see it. I want to know that Hamilton got the best guy that he could because the offers were made. I've heard people say Hamilton looked exhausted but I think he should have looked more like death on a cracker. Until we know for sure who was NOT offered I think it's safe to say this is the best he could do. If Cut was really offered before Dooley that is sad. I would think these negotiations were going on simultaneously.

I've been hung up on and really hoping for Bud Foster... I wanted him badly and as far as I know there was no phone call made to him. I could name several others that I wanted more but they would have been 1st time head coaches so in comparisson Dooley at least had HC & recruiting experience.

I challenge you to name a coach other than Wittingham that was not offered who is more qualified than dooley. And remember Wittingham is 1 year removed from an undefeated season and a decent claim to the national title that year. Not sure why you think a guy like wittingham would leave a team that is rockin it like that. Maybe you have no respect for Utah.. i dunno
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Maybe the challenge of competing in a conference that has won the last four national titles.
 
#34
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I want to start by saying im glad my son is to young to remember Darth Kiffin and co. Tennessee is and will remain my team till I die. Darth Kiffin will get what he deserves when the NCAA lays down the law on USC. I am disappointed in Hamilton allowing Darth Kiffin to remove former Tennessee greats to be replaced with pics of reggie bush. I guess Peyton Manning, Al Wilson, Jamal Lewis, Heath Schuler are no ones compared to Reggie Bush and Co. From USC. I was a little un easy about Hiring Darth Kiffin but like most vols as the season moved forward I bought in to it. Then the little SNAKE up and left but not before letting his little OGRE recruit the Tennessee locker Room for USC. I would like it if Al Wilson went out to USC and showed ole ED what to do when some one wants to fight .He should take tiger woods with him to keep Mrs.Kiffin company.
AS for all you vol fans who hate Fulmer the man brought you a national title. He played at Tennessee was an asst. coach then head coach .Like the sign in the locker room “I WILL GIVE MY ALL FOR TENNESSEE TODAY” Fulmer has done that for the better part of 40 years.How many times have all you lazy-boy QB’s given Tennessee a fraction of what he did for this school. You might as well of had torches and pitchforks when he was ran out. Then yet again After vol nation runs him off he continues go give his all for Tennessee .
Derek Dooley………………..I like it. The P.C. was great I like the guy I think he is good for Tennessee. I don’t think he will up and run if UGA is looking for a coach in a few years. My gut tells me he will be here for a while. He made it real obvious he wanst Darth Kiffin nor did he want to be. As vol fans we should support him and his new staff who ever it may be .
Tradition is what makes College Football what it is. They should be respected as well as former players(Fulmer).
"The recruits weren't coming to UT to wear the yellow uniform, they were coming to play for this coaching staff."-Darth Kiffin………They are Orange LIL BOY . I would like to say see you in a bowl game but you may not be going for a few years win or not. You mad you bed now lay in it.
 
#35
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Oh and by the way kiffin was not a low budget hire. We had a low price head coach but overall entire staff was top 3 nationwide.
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Thank You. , and that staff was pretty coveted based on what we saw this winter. FW to Lsu, Gran to Fsu, 3amigos to USC. All 5 men are among the CFB elites and they all went to schools that have won BCS titles. Kiffin/staff was a hell of a hire for HM post 1-12, and BP has (on hammys end at the least) been a success. Attendance is top 10 in fb,m+w bball... (Fball down a little but I'm thinking even 95k would keep us in the top ten) - another problem with your theory--do we even know what his contract is? Or his staff and their contracts? If CDD doesn't have success then we shall have his head.
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#36
#36
UTvolz9808 said:
I want to start by saying im glad my son is to young to remember Darth Kiffin and co. Tennessee is and will remain my team till I die. Darth Kiffin will get what he deserves when the NCAA lays down the law on USC. I am disappointed in Hamilton allowing Darth Kiffin to remove former Tennessee greats to be replaced with pics of reggie bush. I guess Peyton Manning, Al Wilson, Jamal Lewis, Heath Schuler are no ones compared to Reggie Bush and Co. From USC. I was a little un easy about Hiring Darth Kiffin but like most vols as the season moved forward I bought in to it. Then the little SNAKE up and left but not before letting his little OGRE recruit the Tennessee locker Room for USC. I would like it if Al Wilson went out to USC and showed ole ED what to do when some one wants to fight .He should take tiger woods with him to keep Mrs.Kiffin company.
AS for all you vol fans who hate Fulmer the man brought you a national title. He played at Tennessee was an asst. coach then head coach .Like the sign in the locker room “I WILL GIVE MY ALL FOR TENNESSEE TODAY” Fulmer has done that for the better part of 40 years.How many times have all you lazy-boy QB’s given Tennessee a fraction of what he did for this school. You might as well of had torches and pitchforks when he was ran out. Then yet again After vol nation runs him off he continues go give his all for Tennessee .
Derek Dooley………………..I like it. The P.C. was great I like the guy I think he is good for Tennessee. I don’t think he will up and run if UGA is looking for a coach in a few years. My gut tells me he will be here for a while. He made it real obvious he wanst Darth Kiffin nor did he want to be. As vol fans we should support him and his new staff who ever it may be .
Tradition is what makes College Football what it is. They should be respected as well as former players(Fulmer).
"The recruits weren't coming to UT to wear the yellow uniform, they were coming to play for this coaching staff."-Darth Kiffin………They are Orange LIL BOY . I would like to say see you in a bowl game but you may not be going for a few years win or not. You mad you bed now lay in it.
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Relax, he didn't say Yellow, he said Color, implying they weren't coming to play for a certain school. Don't become what they think we are. He's gone, its over. You will get your shot at him no later than 2014. But, does anyone really think CLK, and CEO will be at their current stop for 4 calender's?? I think not.
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#37
#37
volmark said:
TennaciousUTfan: i posted this in the other thread but you started this one so wanted to make sure you got my response

I am curious to know if there is a list of coaches that were offered because I would like to see it. I want to know that Hamilton got the best guy that he could because the offers were made. I've heard people say Hamilton looked exhausted but I think he should have looked more like death on a cracker. Until we know for sure who was NOT offered I think it's safe to say this is the best he could do. If Cut was really offered before Dooley that is sad. I would think these negotiations were going on simultaneously.

I've been hung up on and really hoping for Bud Foster... I wanted him badly and as far as I know there was no phone call made to him. I could name several others that I wanted more but they would have been 1st time head coaches so in comparisson Dooley at least had HC & recruiting experience.

I challenge you to name a coach other than Wittingham that was not offered who is more qualified than dooley. And remember Wittingham is 1 year removed from an undefeated season and a decent claim to the national title that year. Not sure why you think a guy like wittingham would leave a team that is rockin it like that. Maybe you have no respect for Utah.. i dunno
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WittyHamms was successful with Urbys players. Same system, same players- fill in the "playcaller". He is a good coach yes, but he doesn't get the whole credit on those two years. Development and preparation-yes. Recruiting and foundation- not so much.
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#39
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shootermcgavin7 said:
News flash: there were no overqualified candidates who wanted the job, for any amount of money.
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I didn't sat hire an over qualified person now

I said hire a stop gap coack with ton of experience ...such as Kippy or cutcliff ....then take your time finding a coach that you KNOW rather than HOPE can return the program to glory ( like Saban)

CDD is a gamble at best...the next three weeks of recruiting will tell alot. Who he surrounds himself with with tell alot.
 
#40
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hmanvolfan said:
Maybe the challenge of competing in a conference that has won the last four national titles.
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Florida already let whittingham know that they want him then urban hit the brakes.

So why not go to the school that has won some of those 4? whittingham will be at Florida you can etch that in stone
 
#43
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shootermcgavin7 said:
"Stop Gap" would go over well with recruits, huh?
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in this case ..yes

Kippy Brown relates well to recruits and would have been 1 of 4 black head coaches. He has all and more of the NFL experience that Kiffin bragged about. He draws wide receivers to programs ...that is why majors , Fulmer , and Kiffin all hired him .

Cuttcliffe has sent more kids to the NFL than I think Kiffins entire staff. He turned the program around from 05-06 drastically. His offenses hold almost all of the offensive records at Ole Miss and UT and he is doing an excellent job at turning Duke around . He is not a field recruiter ...but he is a draw and kids line up on the offensive side of the ball given his ability to to get guys to the next level. Manning nominated him for the job ...and it seems to me that he knows a little about football

Now we are boom or bust . We are throwing a guy into big time football with no experience at this level . He is gonna kick off next season in the NFL Minor Leagues on a team with depleted talent. Seems like he has been playing in a competative conference with a depleted team now for 3 years ...how did he do ? We needed to find a guy with a proven track record that can get the program moving in the right direction in the next few years....not a guy that we HOPE can do this.
 
#44
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hmanvolfan said:
Being a Duke alum I'm not surprised you know nothing about college football.
1. Fulmer was let go because he let the proud football program slide into irrelevant mediocrity.
2. Kiffin was a huge mistake made by an AD that is currently on shaky ground.
3. No
4. See #2.
5. He spent many years as a Tennessee OC and most wanted new blood. However, a lot of Volunteer fans appreciated his ability to elevate the program when Phil was letting it slip but again, you can't go home.
But to ask if Tennessee has resources shows your ignorance regarding college football, or college athletics for that matter. Are you sure you're a Duke alum?
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I am certainly a Duke Alum. I also know that you sellout every home game. However if you have the resources you are doing a good job of hiding them. Maybe you have them and don't want to spend them. Maybe you figure you will sellout every home game win or lose so why spend the money.

Florida saw that Zook was not the guy. They went out and hired Urban Meyer who was the hot college coach and had done great at Utah. Alabama saw that Shula was not the guy and they went and got Nick Saban who had won a NC and was in the NFL. Both of those hires took resources.

Tennessee sees that Fulmer is no longer the guy and they go and hire Lane Kiffin! (I think he was unemployed). Then when Kiffin walks after a year they try to hire the Texas coordinator and fail and the Duke coach and fail and then hire a guy whose hardly been a world beater at Louisiana Tech. And they lost the Duke coach because they would not pay off the old assistants and let him bring in his own staff. Hardly shows a commitment of resources to me. I do understand that you were under great time pressure but still.

Personally I think you are way better off with Dooley than Kiffin and think USC made a big mistake. Muschamp may have bailed for Texas when that job opened up. Cutcliffe is great for Duke but was not the right guy for Tennessee in my opinion as it would have been going backwards. So Dooley may be the best choice for you guys. I hope he does great but it looks like you are trying to do it on on the cheap, especially when compared to the top dogs in the SEC.

SoCal
 
#45
#45
Hamilton was given a simple, yet URGENT mandate earlier this week. Go out and hire THE MOST QUALIFIED Head coaching prospect available. Quite simply, HE FAILED in that mission. Just as Fulmer FAILED.

He put the fanbase, players and recruits in a tenuous position of having to HOPE his hire pans out. His resume has nothing tangible to sell a recruit or a player for that matter. This job is the engine for all the Athletic Program...and he took it to "Joey's Budget Auto Shop" for repairs.

I hope that someone here who knows someone in or close to BOT members can ask them about reaching out to Heath Shuler to immediately replace Hamilton as our next AD...a businessman and Politician who bleeds Orange.

Congressman Heath Shuler, Representing the 11th District of North Carolina
 
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#47
#47
Just relax, and see how it all plays out.........even if Kiffy boy would have stayed, we would have basically sucked next year, IMO.......
 
#48
#48
NOOOOOOOOO. Never let a Democrat run a business. An athletic department is a business. This would be even worse than Hamilton. He would be as clueless as our government at allocating resources.
 
#49
#49
When he gets fired, we should look at ADs. Right now, the position is occupied. Until Dooley fails, I don't see that changing.
 
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