Gun control debate (merged)

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85SugarVol said:
I’ve always respected your willingness to answer.

I’ll be honest - I thought you were gonna skew the other way.
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I think the demand is much more of an issue than the supply. I would like to see the demand reduced even more than I would like to see the supply made more difficult.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I asked his opinion. He gave his opinion.

More than you can usually get from posters like BB, LG, & EL.

I appreciate that.
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I appreciate the appreciation. I've never understood why so many are reluctant to go on record with a clearly stated opinion in the PF.
 
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luthervol said:
37% lax laws, 63% Chicago.
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Repeat gun offenders are driving the violence in Chicago, Johnson said.

He added that Chicago police are working diligently to keep these offenders off the streets but we need help from the justice system to hold them accountable for their actions.

Gun control legislation has been difficult to pass in Illinois, where downstate Democrats often join with Republicans to support gun rights. In 2013 it was black lawmakers, most from the Chicago area, who derailed a measure that required stiffer penalties for felons and gang members caught with weapons.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel said it was a critical to combating gang violence, but the black caucus, joined by civil rights icon the Rev. Jesse Jackson, said it was too focused on locking up young men. They argued lawmakers should be trying to improve education and jobs, not increase incarceration. https://apnews.com/55195235c1d54d65...police-lawmakers-push-tougher-laws-gun-crimes

Handgun are, like everywhere else, the dominant weapon type in firearms crimes. There is national federal law governing the sale of handguns (and firearms generally), therefore the claim of "lax gun laws" is imaginary. You must be a resident in the state of purchase to buy a handgun from a dealer or private party, or have it shipped by a FFL dealer to a dealer in your state. The NICS (National Instant Check System) background check will be performed by the dealer in your state of residency. https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0813-firearms-top-12-qaspdf/download

Of IL guns recovered in 2015 - and not all of them are crime related - 51% (4,231) originated in IL, 3,585 originated in other states. Some will be black market guns, others will have been brought by those assuming residency in IL or legally sold guns that initially were purchased in another state and transferred to an IL dealer. The average time to crime for recovered guns in IL is 11.81 years, slightly longer than the national average of 10.48 years.
https://www.atf.gov/docs/163564-ilatfwebsite15pdf/download
 
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luthervol said:
37% lax laws, 63% Chicago.
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You can't blame other states. Chicago, and Illinois, have the strictest laws out there, if laws actually worked, there's zero chance that criminals in Chicago could get guns from other states, because it's against the law. Unless, you're admitting that laws don't work on criminals, and you just want legal gun owners to pay for what Democrats are doing in Chicago?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I have an AR SBR (registered) in 300BO, suppressed. About as pleasant a gun to shoot as you can have.
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Would you mind posting a picture of it? If you don't want to I understand, but I'll be honest I am not really sure what that is. Before the boat fire and sinking I had your basic AR15 with no additional bells and whistles and for killing paper it was fine so I haven't done much research into what could be.

Edit:... LOL nevermind. I see you did so a few posts later Thanks.
 
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luthervol said:
I love the Chicago example because Chicago is a great example of why the laws need to be federalized.
Chicago's gun problems are largely the result of the lax laws of surrounding states.
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In a nutshell, you want a bigger federal government. Most of us on here want a smaller federal government. We will never agree. Hopefully you lose because large centralized governments never work.
 
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luthervol said:
I love the Chicago example because Chicago is a great example of why the laws need to be federalized.
Chicago's gun problems are largely the result of the lax laws of surrounding states.
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Chicago needs to solve its own problems. The rest of the country shouldn't have to conform to help chicago get itself right.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Chicago needs to solve its own problems. The rest of the country shouldn't have to conform to help chicago get itself right.
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Well, that's great in it's simplicity; but it kind of ignores the fact that a significant portion of Chicago's problem is compounded by the ease in which people from outside of Chicago can come to the city and illegally sell guns,
 
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luthervol said:
Well, that's great in it's simplicity; but it kind of ignores the fact that a significant portion of Chicago's problem is compounded by the ease in which people from outside of Chicago can come to the city and illegally sell guns,
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Your approach is even more simple minded, and lazy. Just make everything a Federal issue, problem solved. Why even have States? Am I right? These imaginary lines need to go. Let’s centralize all the power in one place and govern from there. Both reasonable and rational.
 
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luthervol said:
Well, that's great in it's simplicity; but it kind of ignores the fact that a significant portion of Chicago's problem is compounded by the ease in which people from outside of Chicago can come to the city and illegally sell guns,
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Sooooo their local laws don't cover those sales? I'm really not following you as to how federalizing your gun grab will help Shitcago?
 
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luthervol said:
Well, that's great in it's simplicity; but it kind of ignores the fact that a significant portion of Chicago's problem is compounded by the ease in which people from outside of Chicago can come to the city and illegally sell guns,
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Your problem then, isn’t with the inanimate object, it’s with people.
 
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