Gun control debate (merged)

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hndog609 said:
It's almost impossible (as touched on in the accompanying link) to get "hard" data on defensive gun uses. Especially when there are distinct sides trying to score points pulling at what data is available. Anyway, here's something to chew on.

There Are Far More Defensive Gun Uses Than Murders. Here's Why You Rarely Hear of Them.
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This is a really good article. Seems objective and even-keeled.

Is "Real Clear Investigations" something you have a lot of trust in?
 
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luthervol said:
Chicago has many problems, same with every area. I specifically said "gun" problem.

And MLK was great. Shocking he was hated by so many at the time.....and still some today.
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Even worse is that he has been completely ignored by the left.
 
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luthervol said:
A lack of personal responsibility is pretty much the root of every problem, everywhere. The people who are personally responsible but are suffering at the hands of those who are not is the issue. In Chicago, and everywhere.
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You are so so close to actually getting it. But I have no doubt you will revert to your usual lunacy any time now of wanting to punish everyone because of a few miscreants.
 
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McDad said:
This is a really good article. Seems objective and even-keeled.

Is "Real Clear Investigations" something you have a lot of trust in?
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I agree with you on their take with that particular article but I'm not familiar enough with the site to have an informed opinion. Probably worth checking out what they have on other issues as if they are consistent with the kind of depth put into that topic they may become a solid resource.
 
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LouderVol said:
actually the shooter is included in those 4. so if he wounds 3 people, and then is shot himself, that counts as a mass shooting. or even if 4 bad guys get shot, thats a mass shooting. there is no distinction made.
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Yes there is. The GVA stat, which is where the “199” comes from, does not include the shooter.

This is where much of the confusion comes from. All these different organizations tracking things differently.

The majority of the “mass shooting” stats Do Not include the shooter.

Midtown Atlanta shooting sparks debate on definition of 'mass shooting'
 
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turbovol said:
RE the Texas shooter who was, apparently, an Hispanic with white supremacist views, I just saw this:
Bruno J. Navarro
Experts say far-right extremism within the Latino community stems from three sources: Hispanic Americans who identify as white; the spread of online misinformation; and anti-Black, antisemitic views among U.S. Latinos that are rarely openly discussed
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Rarely discussed…..you mean made up.
 
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turbovol said:
RE the Texas shooter who was, apparently, an Hispanic with white supremacist views, I just saw this:
Bruno J. Navarro
Experts say far-right extremism within the Latino community stems from three sources: Hispanic Americans who identify as white; the spread of online misinformation; and anti-Black, antisemitic views among U.S. Latinos that are rarely openly discussed
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Lol “experts”. 😂
 
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McDad said:
I searched for data on guns and crimes prevented yesterday. It is a hard dynamic to tabulate. I couldn't find any resource which seemed accurate.

Have you ever come across any data on the subject?
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I'm guessing that's largely because nobody really wants to know the accurate numbers about defensive gun use. It's probably difficult to get a highly accurate number and could be easily manipulated based on the numbers you want to see rather than what's accurate. In 2013 The Obama admin ordered the CDC to do a study on gun use. I remember several anti gun folks cheering this move, but the results gave them some numbers they didn't like on defensive gun use.

That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses
Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
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Pro 2nd amendment folks weren't surprised while anti gun people attacked the numbers but don't try to find an accurate number or any number at all. They'd rather speculate and attack because if there's no accurate numbers they can claim whatever they like.
 
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turbovol said:
Mass attacks in Japan? Really? Please supply a link to "mass attacks" in Japan. For one thing, Japan has no guns and no gun violence--at all. Maybe
there has been a spate of deadly chopstick attacks on people at shopping malls and students at schools that I've missed.
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Subway sarin attack still fresh in the memory. Mass stabbing about 6 years ago. Not sure about the no violence. Not mass but last year former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe being shot at a speech.
 
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McDad said:
Mass shooting =/= mass attack?

Since those are different, are injuries or fatalities required to meet the definition of either?

Has anyone explained why the 4 additional scenarios you provided are not considered MS or MA events?
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Mass shooting is not the same as mass attack imo.

The 4 additional scenarios would all roll up under the mass shooting umbrella , but are not the type of mass attack that Columbine kicked off. Jmo.

BB refers to the mass attack events as “spree killings”.
 
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allvol123 said:
Like what? I have spent 0 minutes of my life concerned about being murdered in such a scenario.

Is everything like Covid now? Worry. Worry. Worry. Government doing propaganda. Please government save us!
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You know you can trust the FBI and all the other 3 letter agencies.
 
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allvol123 said:
Like what? I have spent 0 minutes of my life concerned about being murdered in such a scenario.

Is everything like Covid now? Worry. Worry. Worry. Government doing propaganda. Please government save us!
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I agree this is propaganda but it is good to have an exit strategy. I told my wife that when she goes out, she needs to be observing, have her head on a swivel and know her surroundings. That’s not only for shooters but for car thieves, muggers, and other crimes that can happen on a personal level.
 
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loggervol said:
I agree this is propaganda but it is good to have an exit strategy. I told my wife that when she goes out, she needs to be observing, have her head on a swivel and know her surroundings. That’s not only for shooters but for car thieves, muggers, and other crimes that can happen on a personal level.
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I always know my exit strategy. Spent some years working in a steel mill. Knowing your possible exits was instilled in everything we did there. It is a wise thing to pay attention to. I always look for them in movie theaters, mfg plants, buildings I am unfamiliar with. It is just habit now.
 
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luthervol said:
Are we back to tanks, anti-aircraft missiles, and mini-nukes for all?
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Can’t do that, government has to protect military contracts. Can’t put those that manufacture in a negative light. Just keep focus on NRA, where memberships are renewed and shareholders are not impacted.
 
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