Gun control debate (merged)

[luthervol]

What in your mind, did this prove

• A man was indicted on firearm charges for allegedly straw purchasing 27 handguns from suburban Chicago stores. MATTHEW JAMAAL JOHNSON, of Dolton, Ill., allegedly falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer, when, in reality, Johnson purchased the guns on behalf of another individual. ATF and CPD led the probe.
• Five men were indicted for allegedly trafficking guns from St. Louis to Chicago. The charges accuse ROBERT NARUP, of Washington, Mo., of buying firearms at gun shows throughout the United States and illegally selling them to JEROME BOYKIN, of St. Louis, Mo. Boykin then allegedly brought the guns to Chicago and sold them to ROGELIO MANCERA, of Schaumburg, Ill., in exchange for marijuana. The charges accuse Mancera, RODOLFO ORTEGA of Chicago, and HECTOR CHACON of Chicago, with selling the guns on the streets of Chicago.
• A suburban Chicago man was sentenced to eight and a half years in federal prison for trafficking dozens of guns from Kentucky to Chicago. Many of the guns trafficked by JOHN PHILLIPS, of Lyons, Ill., were later discovered by law enforcement at crime scenes in Chicago. The investigation was led by ATF’s Chicago office, with assistance from ATF agents in Louisville, Ky.
• Chicago resident ISMAEL SENE was sentenced to a year in federal prison for straw purchasing handguns in the Chicago suburbs. In one of the transactions, Sene falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer. In reality, Sene purchased the gun on behalf of an individual whom Sene had reason to believe was a convicted felon who was prohibited by federal law from purchasing or possessing a firearm. ATF led the probe, with assistance from CPD.

 

[82_VOL_83]

U.S. Attorney’s Office Provides Update on Chicago Firearms Trafficking Strike Force.

According to gun trace data, a significant number of firearms recovered in Chicago originate outside Chicago and are illegally trafficked into the city. The strike force has strengthened coordination between law enforcement in Chicago and counterparts in the locations where many of the firearms originate. In providing the update on the strike force’s efforts, U.S. Attorney Lausch was joined by U.S. Attorneys from around the Midwest.

“Firearms traffickers and straw purchasers enable violence,” said U.S. Attorney Lausch. “Over the past year, the cross-jurisdictional strike force has increased collaboration with our law enforcement partners and enhanced our longstanding efforts to hold accountable individuals or groups who illegally traffic firearms into Chicago.”

That entire quote says absolutely dick and you know it.

 

[MG1968]

• A man was indicted on firearm charges for allegedly straw purchasing 27 handguns from suburban Chicago stores. MATTHEW JAMAAL JOHNSON, of Dolton, Ill., allegedly falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer, when, in reality, Johnson purchased the guns on behalf of another individual. ATF and CPD led the probe.
• Five men were indicted for allegedly trafficking guns from St. Louis to Chicago. The charges accuse ROBERT NARUP, of Washington, Mo., of buying firearms at gun shows throughout the United States and illegally selling them to JEROME BOYKIN, of St. Louis, Mo. Boykin then allegedly brought the guns to Chicago and sold them to ROGELIO MANCERA, of Schaumburg, Ill., in exchange for marijuana. The charges accuse Mancera, RODOLFO ORTEGA of Chicago, and HECTOR CHACON of Chicago, with selling the guns on the streets of Chicago.
• A suburban Chicago man was sentenced to eight and a half years in federal prison for trafficking dozens of guns from Kentucky to Chicago. Many of the guns trafficked by JOHN PHILLIPS, of Lyons, Ill., were later discovered by law enforcement at crime scenes in Chicago. The investigation was led by ATF’s Chicago office, with assistance from ATF agents in Louisville, Ky.
• Chicago resident ISMAEL SENE was sentenced to a year in federal prison for straw purchasing handguns in the Chicago suburbs. In one of the transactions, Sene falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer. In reality, Sene purchased the gun on behalf of an individual whom Sene had reason to believe was a convicted felon who was prohibited by federal law from purchasing or possessing a firearm. ATF led the probe, with assistance from CPD.

Hey look, gun laws being enforced and actual criminals ( or those engaged in criminal activity) being arrested.

 

[turbovol]

That entire quote says absolutely dick and you know it.

Interstate gun trafficking is a well-known thing and a problem.

Here's a Wall Street Journal from August 2022:

Gun Trafficking Surges Across State Lines: One Pistol’s 1,200-Mile Journey to a Boston Homicide
More firearms are being brought illegally from states with loose gun laws into states with tighter restrictions

 

[C-south]

• A man was indicted on firearm charges for allegedly straw purchasing 27 handguns from suburban Chicago stores. MATTHEW JAMAAL JOHNSON, of Dolton, Ill., allegedly falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer, when, in reality, Johnson purchased the guns on behalf of another individual. ATF and CPD led the probe.
• Five men were indicted for allegedly trafficking guns from St. Louis to Chicago. The charges accuse ROBERT NARUP, of Washington, Mo., of buying firearms at gun shows throughout the United States and illegally selling them to JEROME BOYKIN, of St. Louis, Mo. Boykin then allegedly brought the guns to Chicago and sold them to ROGELIO MANCERA, of Schaumburg, Ill., in exchange for marijuana. The charges accuse Mancera, RODOLFO ORTEGA of Chicago, and HECTOR CHACON of Chicago, with selling the guns on the streets of Chicago.
• A suburban Chicago man was sentenced to eight and a half years in federal prison for trafficking dozens of guns from Kentucky to Chicago. Many of the guns trafficked by JOHN PHILLIPS, of Lyons, Ill., were later discovered by law enforcement at crime scenes in Chicago. The investigation was led by ATF’s Chicago office, with assistance from ATF agents in Louisville, Ky.
• Chicago resident ISMAEL SENE was sentenced to a year in federal prison for straw purchasing handguns in the Chicago suburbs. In one of the transactions, Sene falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer. In reality, Sene purchased the gun on behalf of an individual whom Sene had reason to believe was a convicted felon who was prohibited by federal law from purchasing or possessing a firearm. ATF led the probe, with assistance from CPD.

What was you saying about supply and demand earlier?

 

[C-south]

Interstate gun trafficking is a well-known thing and a problem.

Here's a Wall Street Journal from August 2022:

Gun Trafficking Surges Across State Lines: One Pistol’s 1,200-Mile Journey to a Boston Homicide
More firearms are being brought illegally from states with loose gun laws into states with tighter restrictions

What is an example of a state with “loose” gun laws?

 

[85SugarVol]

It's better left vague.

I see.

Better left vague.

If things “get worse” an amendment will be needed that will be far worse than any negotiated restrictions, and will basically repeal the 2nd amendment as we know it today.

I guess “vague” lies on a continuum.

 

[Vol8188]

• A man was indicted on firearm charges for allegedly straw purchasing 27 handguns from suburban Chicago stores. MATTHEW JAMAAL JOHNSON, of Dolton, Ill., allegedly falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer, when, in reality, Johnson purchased the guns on behalf of another individual. ATF and CPD led the probe.
• Five men were indicted for allegedly trafficking guns from St. Louis to Chicago. The charges accuse ROBERT NARUP, of Washington, Mo., of buying firearms at gun shows throughout the United States and illegally selling them to JEROME BOYKIN, of St. Louis, Mo. Boykin then allegedly brought the guns to Chicago and sold them to ROGELIO MANCERA, of Schaumburg, Ill., in exchange for marijuana. The charges accuse Mancera, RODOLFO ORTEGA of Chicago, and HECTOR CHACON of Chicago, with selling the guns on the streets of Chicago.
• A suburban Chicago man was sentenced to eight and a half years in federal prison for trafficking dozens of guns from Kentucky to Chicago. Many of the guns trafficked by JOHN PHILLIPS, of Lyons, Ill., were later discovered by law enforcement at crime scenes in Chicago. The investigation was led by ATF’s Chicago office, with assistance from ATF agents in Louisville, Ky.
• Chicago resident ISMAEL SENE was sentenced to a year in federal prison for straw purchasing handguns in the Chicago suburbs. In one of the transactions, Sene falsely certified on federal forms that he was the actual buyer. In reality, Sene purchased the gun on behalf of an individual whom Sene had reason to believe was a convicted felon who was prohibited by federal law from purchasing or possessing a firearm. ATF led the probe, with assistance from CPD.

Are you trying to prove I’m right and that registry’s already exist? Idk why you’re citing these examples

 

[Vol since 77]

I'm really trying but am I the only one that feels dumber when I read a luther or k-town post? I haven't put anyone on ignore yet but between those two and turbo, it might be a wise move on my part.

 

[volfanhill]

It's better left vague.

Because you are a gun grabbing anti 2A . No one is buying your bs. It's like when you claim the "majority of BLM protests" were nonviolent. Bc you and you white kids, in your white neighborhood, held up poster boards saying Black Lives Matter at the end of the street. Those weren't protests.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Assume much ?
Show me where I said that? Yeah, that's right because I never said or insinuated anything like that.
The point is the killer was here illegally as were the dead. I'm going to bet he's not the only mean ass ombre walking across the open border on a daily basis.. Hell he may not have been the meanest one in the tragedy. We don't know.
What we do know is people are pouring into America and slo Joe and the giggling veep will tell you the border is secure.

His argument is as dumb as saying that we should outlaw Fentanyl in America. WTF are we doing about it? Letting it pour through the southern border, while it kills like 1000x the number of "mass shooting" victims.

These morons get fixated on a problem spoon fed to them by the Power-controlled media and are unable to rationally deduce the greatest threats to our safety, culture, and freedom.

How many news stories were hot today about Fentanyl and opioid ODs? How many on gang violence and inner city murders? Check the numbers on significance.

 

[kiddiedoc]

U.S. Attorney’s Office Provides Update on Chicago Firearms Trafficking Strike Force.

According to gun trace data, a significant number of firearms recovered in Chicago originate outside Chicago and are illegally trafficked into the city. The strike force has strengthened coordination between law enforcement in Chicago and counterparts in the locations where many of the firearms originate. In providing the update on the strike force’s efforts, U.S. Attorney Lausch was joined by U.S. Attorneys from around the Midwest.

“Firearms traffickers and straw purchasers enable violence,” said U.S. Attorney Lausch. “Over the past year, the cross-jurisdictional strike force has increased collaboration with our law enforcement partners and enhanced our longstanding efforts to hold accountable individuals or groups who illegally traffic firearms into Chicago.”

So, more laws will fix the problem.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I'm really trying but am I the only one that feels dumber when I read a luther or k-town post? I haven't put anyone on ignore yet but between those two and turbo, it might be a wise move on my part.

No, if you can't understand their "logic," you are likely a) not an imbecile, b) not stoned, and c) not a Socialist.

 

[85SugarVol]

Because you are a gun grabbing anti 2A . No one is buying your bs. It's like when you claim the "majority of BLM protests" were nonviolent. Bc you and you white kids, in your white neighborhood, held up poster boards saying Black Lives Matter at the end of the street. Those weren't protests.

The “non-violent” narrative surrounding the BLM Riots was always a numbers game. They employed an extremely liberal counting to get to that 94% metric. They counted everything.

They eventually got around to releasing some numbers on the Portland riots. 62% of those “demonstrations” had recorded violence.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Interstate gun trafficking is a well-known thing and a problem.

Here's a Wall Street Journal from August 2022:

Gun Trafficking Surges Across State Lines: One Pistol’s 1,200-Mile Journey to a Boston Homicide
More firearms are being brought illegally from states with loose gun laws into states with tighter restrictions

His post still says absolutely dick.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Interstate gun trafficking is a well-known thing and a problem.

Here's a Wall Street Journal from August 2022:

Gun Trafficking Surges Across State Lines: One Pistol’s 1,200-Mile Journey to a Boston Homicide
More firearms are being brought illegally from states with loose gun laws into states with tighter restrictions

So you are saying an illegal registry was used to track a weapon. I don't know nor care what the rest of the story is. At least a half dozen felonies were committed here, one by ATF. And you cry about A homicide from nearly a year ago? GTFO

 

[Tman44]

Another non-thinker.
Let me make it easier to understand.

A group of 17 year olds stand outside a convenience store until they find someone willing to go in and buy them a 12 pack if they give them $20.

I'll even do the math for you.
6-pack cost $15
Kids pay $20
The legal purchaser make $5

Your analogy is false. Have you ever sat outside of a gun store and wait on someone to buy a gun for you? That logic is quite perplexing. #1. The owner of the shop would have noticed a person loitering. Na, persons loitering would be run off. #2. Yea, I go to gun stores to hope for someone to entice me into breaking the "straw man" law? Wanna fast track your way to jail? LOL. Go try that and tell me how it works out. Why would you think about hanging around places looking for underagers any way? That's seriously depraved bud. Illegal guns sales are primarily done with stolen weapons. Why doesn't anyone care about all the black teens that die every day in Chicago because they were shot by black teens? Doesn't fit the democrat/marxist narrative does it? LOL. Keep dreaming. Perhaps one day you might understand reality. Until then, I think your avatar is great. People incapable of cognizant thought need to keep the one bullet in the pocket.

 

[Zues1]

Are you claiming increasing prices do not decrease demand and consumption?

Uhh yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying.
Can you give us a list of popular items no longer on the market due to price increase?
The more the left whines about gun control the more guns become in demand.
The prices are going up, yet more and more are being purchased. Everyday.
Legally and illegally.

 

[volinsd]

No, if you can't understand their "logic," you are likely a) not an imbecile, b) not stoned, and c) not a Socialist.

I disagree Kiddiedoc.

You CAN be completely stoned and STILL not understand any of their logic.

I'm running a study on that, just to be sure

 

[luthervol]

Interstate gun trafficking is a well-known thing and a problem.

Here's a Wall Street Journal from August 2022:

Gun Trafficking Surges Across State Lines: One Pistol’s 1,200-Mile Journey to a Boston Homicide
More firearms are being brought illegally from states with loose gun laws into states with tighter restrictions

They know it - unless they truly are incredibly stupid - they just can't publicly admit it because it destroys their narrative.

 

[luthervol]

What was you saying about supply and demand earlier?

Exactly what I proved by the posted examples.
You're welcome.

 

[luthervol]

Are you trying to prove I’m right and that registry’s already exist? Idk why you’re citing these examples

lol.....
It's 100% proof that I am right. You may need to re-read - slowly, with depth of thought.

 

[luthervol]

So, more laws will fix the problem.

LOL....
Nothing will fix the problem
Better laws will decrease the devastating results caused by the problem.

 

[luthervol]

Uhh yeah. That's exactly what I'm saying.
Can you give us a list of popular items no longer on the market due to price increase?
The more the left whines about gun control the more guns become in demand.
The prices are going up, yet more and more are being purchased. Everyday.
Legally and illegally.

What?????????????
Whoever said decreased demand meant no longer on the market?
What are you smokin'?

 

[Vol8188]

lol.....
It's 100% proof that I am right. You may need to re-read - slowly, with depth of thought.

It seems like a bunch of examples of guns they were able to track. The first example even mentioned the “federal form” I told you about earlier. The thing you were saying they couldn’t do. What am I missing