Gun control debate (merged)

[hog88]

Here is my quote:
"If a gun was designed specifically to kill PEOPLE, ban it.
Are you claiming all guns are designed specifically to kill PEOPLE?
Careful, because if you are, you are going to blow the gun nut's ludicrous "ban knives, swimming pools, rocks, and cars" nonsense all to hell........because none of those things are designed to specifically kill PEOPLE. That's not the intended use.
Now military style weapons (AR's and such) have a reason to be designed specifically to kill PEOPLE.

 

[Vol8188]

Here is my quote:
"If a gun was designed specifically to kill PEOPLE, ban it.
Are you claiming all guns are designed specifically to kill PEOPLE?
Careful, because if you are, you are going to blow the gun nut's ludicrous "ban knives, swimming pools, rocks, and cars" nonsense all to hell........because none of those things are designed to specifically kill PEOPLE. That's not the intended use.
Now military style weapons (AR's and such) have a reason to be designed specifically to kill PEOPLE.

My 30.06 is a military style weapon. So is my 9mm. What do you believe handguns are designed for exactly? The obvious answer is to kill people.

So how does these statements of yours coexist. How do we both ban guns designed to kill people and still allow people to own guns for protection

 

[luthervol]

If businesses were too racist to pay black men the same and the law set a minimum wage, what do you think that did to black men….obviously they ended up unemployed.

Which was the intent of the law. To protect white labor

It made many businesses pay black men the minimum wage.
And you seem to be overlooking the women and children part of the equation.
Your attempts to wrap it in racism has failed. I've already admitted there was a racial component, but that is true of every single measure ever passed or initiative undertaken. Especially 80+ years ago.

 

[Vol8188]

It made many businesses pay black men the minimum wage.
And you seem to be overlooking the women and children part of the equation.
Your attempts to wrap it in racism has failed. I've already admitted there was a racial component, but that is true of every single measure ever passed or initiative undertaken. Especially 80+ years ago.

No it didn’t. It just lead higher rates of black employment. 22k employees on the Hoover damn, only 25 were black. Compare that to the south where the majority of construction workers were black.

This law was specifically designed to protect white labor from black labor and it succeeded

 

[Vol8188]

Here is my quote:
"If a gun was designed specifically to kill PEOPLE, ban it.
Are you claiming all guns are designed specifically to kill PEOPLE?
Careful, because if you are, you are going to blow the gun nut's ludicrous "ban knives, swimming pools, rocks, and cars" nonsense all to hell........because none of those things are designed to specifically kill PEOPLE. That's not the intended use.
Now military style weapons (AR's and such) have a reason to be designed specifically to kill PEOPLE.

You ignored the second part of that. You specifically said you never wanted to ban assault weapons. Yet I quoted you saying they should be banned.

Care to clarify?

 

[LouderVol]

It made many businesses pay black men the minimum wage.
And you seem to be overlooking the women and children part of the equation.
Your attempts to wrap it in racism has failed. I've already admitted there was a racial component, but that is true of every single measure ever passed or initiative undertaken. Especially 80+ years ago.

what you are missing is that higher, still minimum, wage outpriced a good chunk of the AA workforce. It may have helped those who KEPT their jobs, but it hurt all those who lost their jobs. and there were a lot more AA who lost work than gained a higher pay. to the companies facing a wage increase it justified hiring the more expensive whites since the floor of what they could pay out was raised above the prices of AAs.

 

[C-south]

Here is my quote:
"If a gun was designed specifically to kill PEOPLE, ban it.
Are you claiming all guns are designed specifically to kill PEOPLE?
Careful, because if you are, you are going to blow the gun nut's ludicrous "ban knives, swimming pools, rocks, and cars" nonsense all to hell........because none of those things are designed to specifically kill PEOPLE. That's not the intended use.
Now military style weapons (AR's and such) have a reason to be designed specifically to kill PEOPLE.

All guns are designed to kill people. The 2A was founded on the premise to kill people whether it be in self defense, the defense of others, or fighting the government. Owning a pool or a car isn’t a fundamental right guaranteed by the constitution hence they should be much easier to ban.

 

[hog88]

All guns are designed to kill people. The 2A was founded on the premise to kill people whether it be in self defense, the defense of others, or fighting the government. Owning a pool or a car isn’t a fundamental right guaranteed by the constitution hence they should be much easier to ban.

All guns are designed to launch a projectile at a high rate of speed. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[luthervol]

My 30.06 is a military style weapon. So is my 9mm. What do you believe handguns are designed for exactly? The obvious answer is to kill people.

So how does these statements of yours coexist. How do we both ban guns designed to kill people and still allow people to own guns for protection

According to what I see here: target shooting, collecting, shooting moles in the yard, and personal and home security.

Again, you're not claiming that the primary intent and purpose of all guns is to kill people are you? I would assume they are designed to fulfill their primary purpose and function.

 

[luthervol]

You ignored the second part of that. You specifically said you never wanted to ban assault weapons. Yet I quoted you saying they should be banned.

Care to clarify?

I said AR's were not the focus of my two proposals. X rounds in y seconds, and X guns purchased in Y time. That would apply to any and all guns.
I would need to go back and read the context of the discussion when I said all AR 15s should be banned. It may have been when I used assault weapons as synonymous with automatic (fully). My gun related vocabulary has improved slightly during these debates. If that was my intent, then I stick by that.

 

[Vol8188]

According to what I see here: target shooting, collecting, shooting moles in the yard, and personal and home security.

Again, you're not claiming that the primary intent and purpose of all guns is to kill people are you? I would assume they are designed to fulfill their primary purpose and function.

Personal and home security=killing other people. Seriously what do you think the second amendment is about? The right to hunt and shoot skeet?

The primary intent of the entire second amendment revolves around the ability to kill others.

So once again explain your contradiction. You openly claim you don’t want to ban all guns, “just the ones specifically designed to kill people”. That’s the entire point.

So can we admit you said something stupid or was it a Freudian slip that actually indicates you want to take all guns?

 

[C-south]

I said AR's were not the focus of my two proposals. X rounds in y seconds, and X guns purchased in Y time. That would apply to any and all guns.
I would need to go back and read the context of the discussion when I said all AR 15s should be banned. It may have been when I used assault weapons as synonymous with automatic (fully). My gun related vocabulary has improved slightly during these debates. If that was my intent, then I stick by that.

It’s a good thing your ignorant opinions mean nothing.

 

[Vol8188]

I said AR's were not the focus of my two proposals. X rounds in y seconds, and X guns purchased in Y time. That would apply to any and all guns.
I would need to go back and read the context of the discussion when I said all AR 15s should be banned. It may have been when I used assault weapons as synonymous with automatic (fully). My gun related vocabulary has improved slightly during these debates. If that was my intent, then I stick by that.

1. Stop using AR and assault weapons interchangeably. It just makes you look ignorant.

2. Why would you have been discussing banning guns that have not been used in a mass shooting in a thread about mass shootings?

3. Given your false claim that ARs are the most common weapon used in mass shootings (it’s handguns), why would you use them interchangeably with automatic weapons (a category that’s not been used in a mass shooting in recent history)?

Unless you’re admitting that you simply didn’t know what an AR was an thought it was an “automatic rifle”

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm not setting up for a gun confiscation, so based on that one grossly inaccurate assumption, I understand your wish.

You never answered, who do you believe thinks they are smarter, me or you?

You've twice now thrown out the accusation that I think I am much smarter than I actually am, so at least do me the curtesy of answering.

You do, and it isn't even close.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Oh no I'm not; you're simply wrong. But being so consistently and hard headedly wrong explains why gun nuts come across as so irrational.

We can say "are too", "am not" as long as you wish, but it obviously leads nowhere. And like it or not, I'm the only one in a position to actually know.

And WTH does this mean? "You never said "Boo" to the ATF making millions of currently legal gun owner's felons, with no real recourse." It doesn't make millions felons, what a hysterical overreaction. Just register the freakin' gun.

It is none of the federal .gov's business if I own a gun. It is nobody's business Chief.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Extremist gun nuts and people profiting from legal purchase and illegal resell.

First, every time you say 'gun nut' your argument loses credibility. Second, what do you mean by 'illegal resell'? I can sell any gun to a private citizen here in Florida and there is no paperwork and no one has to be informed. So how could I make that 'illegal'?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We are most definitely progressing. Still a long way to go.

You're right. Biden set race relations back to the 50s.

 

[Vol8188]

Extremist gun nuts and people profiting from legal purchase and illegal resell.

If you don’t know the difference between an automatic weapon and an AR, I’m not sure you have a right to call someone an extremist gun nut. It seems you lack adequate knowledge on the topic to even know what is/is not extreme

 

[Vol8188]

Extremist gun nuts and people profiting from legal purchase and illegal resell.

If you don’t know the difference between an automatic weapon and an AR, I’m not sure you have a right to call someone an extremist gun nut. It seems you lack adequate knowledge on the topic to even know what is/is not extreme

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Do both.

How when your party's DAs continually release criminals with no bail? It's YOUR party Chief.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It's ludicrous to think government will outsmart organized crime.

Government IS organized crime.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Here is my quote:
"If a gun was designed specifically to kill PEOPLE, ban it.
Are you claiming all guns are designed specifically to kill PEOPLE?
Careful, because if you are, you are going to blow the gun nut's ludicrous "ban knives, swimming pools, rocks, and cars" nonsense all to hell........because none of those things are designed to specifically kill PEOPLE. That's not the intended use.
Now military style weapons (AR's and such) have a reason to be designed specifically to kill PEOPLE.

Good lord.

 

[volfanhill]

All guns are designed to kill people. The 2A was founded on the premise to kill people whether it be in self defense, the defense of others, or fighting the government. Owning a pool or a car isn’t a fundamental right guaranteed by the constitution hence they should be much easier to ban.

Little known fact. The Revolutionary War was actually just a skeet shooting contest between George Washington and King George. It was not a bloody war. Some of y'all need to get new text books.

 

[C-south]

Little known fact. The Revolutionary War was actually just a skeet shooting contest between George Washington and King George. It was not a bloody war. Some of y'all need to get new text books.

Good thing we can at least affix bayonets if need be…oh wait.

 

[evillawyer]

'Murica, b*tches! Just like old George W. intended