Gun control debate (merged)

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lawgator1 said:
I am all ears for alternative solutions to the problem. We know that criminals are not particularly dissuaded from illegally possessing firearms which were one legally owned by someone else. So step 1 is to make penalties for illegal possession much stiffer. I could not agree more, I am on board, sign me up for that solution.

But it only address the back end of the problem. We also need to deal with the front end, which is to keep legally owned firearms in the custody and control of the purchaser (or subsequent owner if also legally transferred). But clearly, we have an enormous problem in that guns originally legally purchased are finding their way to the criminals on the front end of the problem.

My solution is to get the original purchasers to store them in a reasonably safe manner that reduces the possibility of the gun being stolen. I gave one proposal but am willing to listen to others that focus on preventing the gun from getting to the wrong guy in the first place.
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I think if you leave the keys in your car and I see it and steal it, then that's your fault and insurance shouldn't have to pay.
 
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#25,154
lawgator1 said:
I am all ears for alternative solutions to the problem. We know that criminals are not particularly dissuaded from illegally possessing firearms which were one legally owned by someone else. So step 1 is to make penalties for illegal possession much stiffer. I could not agree more, I am on board, sign me up for that solution.

But it only address the back end of the problem. We also need to deal with the front end, which is to keep legally owned firearms in the custody and control of the purchaser (or subsequent owner if also legally transferred). But clearly, we have an enormous problem in that guns originally legally purchased are finding their way to the criminals on the front end of the problem.

My solution is to get the original purchasers to store them in a reasonably safe manner that reduces the possibility of the gun being stolen. I gave one proposal but am willing to listen to others that focus on preventing the gun from getting to the wrong guy in the first place.
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Hey if we're going to play dumbass lets play dumbass. How about make all felonies capital crimes and execute the convicted immediately after sentencing? That will keep guns out of the criminals hands won't it?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am all ears for alternative solutions to the problem. We know that criminals are not particularly dissuaded from illegally possessing firearms which were one legally owned by someone else. So step 1 is to make penalties for illegal possession much stiffer. I could not agree more, I am on board, sign me up for that solution.

But it only address the back end of the problem. We also need to deal with the front end, which is to keep legally owned firearms in the custody and control of the purchaser (or subsequent owner if also legally transferred). But clearly, we have an enormous problem in that guns originally legally purchased are finding their way to the criminals on the front end of the problem.

My solution is to get the original purchasers to store them in a reasonably safe manner that reduces the possibility of the gun being stolen. I gave one proposal but am willing to listen to others that focus on preventing the gun from getting to the wrong guy in the first place.
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You should move to Canada even though they still have an abundance of gun crimes with their idiotic laws. No right to defend yourself. Keep guns locked up at all times and if someone breaks into your home you can’t just go unlock the safe and kill the intruder in self defense.
 
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C-south said:
You should move to Canada even though they still have an abundance of gun crimes with their idiotic laws. No right to defend yourself. Keep guns locked up at all times and if someone breaks into your home you can’t just go unlock the safe and kill the intruder in self defense.
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lawgator1 said:
But we know people do idiotic things like leave them in dresser drawers or in glove compartments. There needs to be a consequence for that when the gun is then stolen. Does not necessarily have to be a major crime.

But for example when a person buys a handgun, how about they sign an agreement that they will maintain it securely or dispose of it in any one of a number of lawful ways. Every three years they provide proof that they still lawfully possess it or have lawfully disposed of it (for example if you want to get rid of it go to a collection site -- could be any gun shop -- and get a receipt showing you no longer possess it).

You get a reminder as the three years approaches and you get a notice if three years goes by, giving you another 90 days to show possession or lawful disposition. If after that time you have not done so, you are fined $5,000.

But, if you then show possession or lawful disposition, its reduced to $25 to cover the paperwork.

This way, anyone can buy a gun, they just have to exercise some minimal due diligence to keep is from ending up in the hands of a guy like last night.
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Should the government hold you responsible if someone breaks into your house, steals the keys to your car, steals your car, runs over someone with your car?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am all ears for alternative solutions to the problem. We know that criminals are not particularly dissuaded from illegally possessing firearms which were one legally owned by someone else. So step 1 is to make penalties for illegal possession much stiffer. I could not agree more, I am on board, sign me up for that solution.

But it only address the back end of the problem. We also need to deal with the front end, which is to keep legally owned firearms in the custody and control of the purchaser (or subsequent owner if also legally transferred). But clearly, we have an enormous problem in that guns originally legally purchased are finding their way to the criminals on the front end of the problem.

My solution is to get the original purchasers to store them in a reasonably safe manner that reduces the possibility of the gun being stolen. I gave one proposal but am willing to listen to others that focus on preventing the gun from getting to the wrong guy in the first place.
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Keep criminals in jail, thats the solution. Quit this good time BS, quit letting them pay to get out, quit this probation crap. Put them in jail once they committee a felony and keep them there. Make actions actually have consequences and then they might actually think twice. Especially when we have crap like 3 strike rules that are never followed.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Should the government hold you responsible if someone breaks into your house, steals the keys to your car, steals your car, runs over someone with your car?
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People have made that argument before here and its extremely weak because cars have infinitely more completely benign purposes than guns. One is not counseled to place their car in a safe. Its just such a completely different thing that the analogy is so obviously a very inapt one.
 
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lawgator1 said:
People have made that argument before here and its extremely weak because cars have infinitely more completely benign purposes than guns. One is not counseled to place their car in a safe. Its just such a completely different thing that the analogy is so obviously a very inapt one.
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Just stop. You're flailing around for attention like the 2nd lawyer to a car crash.
 
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lawgator1 said:
People have made that argument before here and its extremely weak because cars have infinitely more completely benign purposes than guns. One is not counseled to place their car in a safe. Its just such a completely different thing that the analogy is so obviously a very inapt one.
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No it's not. Just admit your logic is poop. Until you and your liberal communist friends start placing blame on the one responsible instead of whatever tool they used, you'll get nowhere. Just because you don't want law abiding citizens to have guns don't make them any less important or useful to those that choose to have them.

Your government isn't for gun control to make people safer. Your government wants guns out of the hands of citizens to make them more controllable. That's precisely why we have a second amendment.
 
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C-south said:
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Do you understand the difference between having a statutory right to use a gun for self defense versus having that be ingrained in your culture? ENORMOUS difference. You should look into that because I suspect you will find that if you place these comments in full context, you (and others) are either intentionally or unintentionally manipulating his comments to mean something entirely different.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Do you understand the difference between having a statutory right to use a gun for self defense versus having that be ingrained in your culture? ENORMOUS difference. You should look into that because I suspect you will find that if you place these comments in full context, you (and others) are either intentionally or unintentionally manipulating his comments to mean something entirely different.
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The man literally said "you don't have a right to use a gun to defend yourself", but you think everyone is taking it out of context?🤣🤣🤣. Dude, come on, you can't be that naive, or think we are 🤣
 
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lawgator1 said:
Do you understand the difference between having a statutory right to use a gun for self defense versus having that be ingrained in your culture? ENORMOUS difference. You should look into that because I suspect you will find that if you place these comments in full context, you (and others) are either intentionally or unintentionally manipulating his comments to mean something entirely different.
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It’s “ingrained in our culture” because it’s a fundamental right. The 2nd one on the list so it’s pretty damn important.
 
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hog88 said:
It's going to be difficult to find such a place. If it's just a sidearm why don't they just get a small safe?
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Small safe bolted from within to something solid seems like a fine approach. Anyone breaking into an apartment is looking for a quick smash and grab and isn't sticking around to disable a safe lock. Unless it's some super- valuable rare/collector item, that's the route I'd take.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Do you understand the difference between having a statutory right to use a gun for self defense versus having that be ingrained in your culture? ENORMOUS difference. You should look into that because I suspect you will find that if you place these comments in full context, you (and others) are either intentionally or unintentionally manipulating his comments to mean something entirely different.
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The 2A wasn't written as a means for self defense, FYI.
 
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