Gun control debate (merged)

[InVOLuntary]

I’m thinking it will be anything that can be shouldered while firing regardless of barrel length, trigger pull, caliber, etc. I watched one video where they say it could be anything with an optic. Hell they may go after guns with 16” recessed barrels.

Are you talking about bullpups? The NFA has the overall length rule (26") in addition to the barrel length rule (16").

 

[Grand Vol]

I think it has to do with barrel length. I think the barrel has to be even longer on a shotgun to have any device you could shoulder. @Grand Vol would know. The taurus judge can fire .410 shotgun Shells which nfa says the barrel of a shotgun has to be 18". I assume it is legal because you can't shoulder it.

A shotgun must have an 18.5 inch barrel to be civilian legal. The Judge gets around it by also chambering the .45 LC. I think it's a wink wink, nod nod situation.

I'm going off memory here from when it came out and concerns were raised over this situation. But I think it's less to do with the shoulder thing that goes up and more to do with the novelty item that's chambered in multiple calibers.

 

[kiddiedoc]

A shotgun must have an 18.5 inch barrel to be civilian legal. The Judge gets around it by also chambering the .45 LC. I think it's a wink wink, nod nod situation.

I'm going off memory here from when it came out and concerns were raised over this situation. But I think it's less to do with the shoulder thing that goes up and more to do with the novelty item that's chambered in multiple calibers.

So what about the RIA VR14 firearm that shoots 12g shells?

 

[YankeeVol]

So, does the controversial stabilizing brace law apply to PCCs (e.g. Scorpion) or firearms that fire shotgun shells? Or does it only apply to rifle-caliber firearms? I was really considering that CZ

Anything with a barrel less than 16." So yes, any PCC that can have a "brace" attached.

You can still buy the Scorpion without the brace, because it's just a pistol.

 

[YankeeVol]

A shotgun must have an 18.5 inch barrel to be civilian legal. The Judge gets around it by also chambering the .45 LC. I think it's a wink wink, nod nod situation.

I'm going off memory here from when it came out and concerns were raised over this situation. But I think it's less to do with the shoulder thing that goes up and more to do with the novelty item that's chambered in multiple calibers.

16 inch barrel length for rifles, 18 inch barrel length for shotguns, and 26 inch overall length for both rifles and shotguns.

 

[Grand Vol]

So what about the RIA VR14 firearm that shoots 12g shells?

Like an accident and an ATF raid waiting to happen...

Honestly hadn't even seen that thing until now and didn't even know RIA was making anything other than cheap 1911 clones (dang good ones though). Apparently, that one falls into a weird ATF area of "firearm" and not classified as a shotgun. Yet another wink, wink, nod, nod at the system. Since it's not a "shotgun" it is legal, though I have no idea why someone would twist the tiger's tail like that.

 

[Grand Vol]

16 inch barrel length for rifles, 18 inch barrel length for shotguns, and 26 inch overall length for both rifles and shotguns.

Ah, 18... I just almost always see most from the big manufacturers with 18.5 barrels.

 

[InVOLuntary]

A shotgun must have an 18.5 inch barrel to be civilian legal. The Judge gets around it by also chambering the .45 LC. I think it's a wink wink, nod nod situation.

I'm going off memory here from when it came out and concerns were raised over this situation. But I think it's less to do with the shoulder thing that goes up and more to do with the novelty item that's chambered in multiple calibers.

There's a currently available shotgun with a pistol grip that's legal to recall. Can't remember what it is.

Edit: it's the Shockwave. 14.5" barrel.

 

[YankeeVol]

There's a currently available shotgun with a pistol grip that's legal to recall. Can't remember what it is.

Edit: it's the Shockwave. 14.5" barrel.

I can’t remember off the top of my head how the shockwave gets around the rule.

Found it: Although the barrel length of the Shockwave is 14 inches in length, the gun was manufactured with a pistol grip, so it was never intended to be shoulder fired, and it's over 26 inches long, which puts it into a category not subject to any NFA requirements

 

[Grand Vol]

I can’t remember off the top of my head how the shockwave gets around the rule.

Found it: Although the barrel length of the Shockwave is 14 inches in length, the gun was manufactured with a pistol grip, so it was never intended to be shoulder fired, and it's over 26 inches long, which puts it into a category not subject to any NFA requirements

You see, **** like this is why the ATF just starts creating rules. You and I both know it will happen once someone from California or New York goes on the news about these dangerous terroristic assault weapons.

 

[YankeeVol]

You see, **** like this is why the ATF just starts creating rules. You and I both know it will happen once someone from California or New York goes on the news about these dangerous terroristic assault weapons.

The ATF is a joke. Then again, most 3 letter agencies are useless.

 

[YankeeVol]

They had to change the rifle barrel length because the gov't sold all the M1s after WW2. It was originally 18" like the shotgun.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I can’t remember off the top of my head how the shockwave gets around the rule.

Found it: Although the barrel length of the Shockwave is 14 inches in length, the gun was manufactured with a pistol grip, so it was never intended to be shoulder fired, and it's over 26 inches long, which puts it into a category not subject to any NFA requirements

There are a ton of those Shockwaves around. I know several people with them.

 

[kiddiedoc]

They had to change the rifle barrel length because the gov't sold all the M1s after WW2. It was originally 18" like the shotgun.

That's awesome. I'm so glad we use tax dollars to make these rules.

 

[YankeeVol]

That's awesome. I'm so glad we use tax dollars to make these rules.

Yea kinda of a big "oopsie" lol

 

[InVOLuntary]

For all you gun hatin' liberals, here's something that should keep you up at night.

 

[rekinhavoc]

WashPost ‘Fact Checker’ Admittedly Uses Faulty Data to Dismiss Good Guys With Guns

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Now why didn’t they do this when the GOP controlled both congressional houses?

GOP Sens. Introduce National Reciprocity for Concealed Carry

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Now why didn’t they do this when the GOP controlled both congressional houses?

GOP Sens. Introduce National Reciprocity for Concealed Carry

Because they don't actually want it to become law. They're virtue signaling.

 

[hog88]

Because they don't actually want it to become law. They're virtue signaling.

^^This!

 

[GroverCleveland]

Because they don't actually want it to become law. They're virtue signaling.

I have thought that Obergefell opened the door for this and why I thought Justice Roberts dissent was dead-on in that case. Everyone, including people on the right, want to run to the Feds to force everyone to accept their sacred cows and never, for one freaking minute, realize that handing that power to the Feds is not a good thing in the long run.

I have stated it on here before, I do not like the fact that New York refuses to accept my Tennessee carry permit. However, under the Constitution I believed they had that right, although the 2A does cause me to question that with respect to sidearms. But I can live with it as long as Tennessee does not have to accept some of their crazy-ass ideas.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Ban on marijuana users owning guns is unconstitutional, U.S. judge rules

 

[hog88]

Ban on marijuana users owning guns is unconstitutional, U.S. judge rules

It’s a start, let’s see if SCOTUS backs it up. I have my doubts.

 

[C-south]

Ban on marijuana users owning guns is unconstitutional, U.S. judge rules

I guess banning drunk drivers from driving should be next.