Gun control debate (merged)

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#23,851
LouderVol said:
Actually it does. That's why they kept it vague. They could have said muskets. But cannons and rifles existed. They could have said pistols, or mentioned a caliber. They could have listed single shot because things like the Puckle Gun had existed for more than 20 years by that point. They didnt want to limit what arms we had access too.

Very strategic turn to hyperbole there. It's almost like the rest says something you dont like and you avoided it.
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He knows what to leave out and what to quote . It never works , but they don’t have many options. Lol
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
In terms of the conversation, all guns are arms but not all arms are guns. I would say that the 2A says we should be able to own what we want.
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Philosophical arguments aside the "real world" application of constitutional law is there exists an individual RTKABA. This is limited, though not excluded, through NFA type legalities to those arms "in common use for lawful purpose".

If one doesn't feel inclined to fly off into the weeds that's actually a pretty simple and straightforward bit of law. (at least as it pertains to rights of ownership)
 
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LouderVol said:
Actually it does. That's why they kept it vague. They could have said muskets. But cannons and rifles existed. They could have said pistols, or mentioned a caliber. They could have listed single shot because things like the Puckle Gun had existed for more than 20 years by that point. They didnt want to limit what arms we had access too.

Very strategic turn to hyperbole there. It's almost like the rest says something you dont like and you avoided it.
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Kind of like how you guys love to avoid "the well regulate militia" part?
 
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0nelilreb said:
I love it when a career educator conveniently leaves out punctuation from a paragraph when trying to change the authors intent for their own agenda . Our president is on the verge of swaping one of the worlds most deadly “ ARMS dealer” for a basketball player , want to define that for us then apply it to our 2a or should we just keep talking about lions ?
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I think people miss the main point of the 2nd
It is to maintain a well regulated militia and only arms are a means of such.
What arms are necessary to maintain a well regulated militia?
 
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luthervol said:
Kind of like how you guys love to avoid "the well regulate militia" part?
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Do you literally avoid American history on purpose ? The very thing that started the revolutionary war was when the government tried to take “ arms “ away from the citizens in Concord .
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Hire more government workers, make people pay more taxes.

I'm telling you, he's got a career in politics ahead of him.
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Luther is a died in the wool communist. He may not even be aware. First a registry. When that doesn't work, confiscation of certain firearms will be next. When that doesn't work, confiscation of all firearms will be next. When someone speaks out, then he'll be for certain speech being illegal. Then when people don't do what the government wants i.e. farming private property, he'll be for confiscation.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Luther is a died in the wool communist. He may not even be aware. First a registry. When that doesn't work, confiscation of certain firearms will be next. When that doesn't work, confiscation of all firearms will be next. When someone speaks out, then he'll be for certain speech being illegal. Then when people don't do what the government wants i.e. farming private property, he'll be for confiscation.
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Na, luther will be the first volunteer on the cattle truck to his government utopia.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I love it when a career educator conveniently leaves out punctuation from a paragraph when trying to change the authors intent for their own agenda . Our president is on the verge of swaping one of the worlds most deadly “ ARMS dealer” for a basketball player , want to define that for us then apply it to our 2a or should we just keep talking about lions ?
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A well regulated Circus? 🤡
 
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luthervol said:
Establishing the framework for the conversation.
Plus, I don't believe the 2a ever mentions guns. It says something about a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State and then something else about bear Arms. No one in their right mind defines Arms as any and every type of "gun" that can be created.
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Good Lord, what a troll.
 
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luthervol said:
Establishing the framework for the conversation.
Plus, I don't believe the 2a ever mentions guns. It says something about a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State and then something else about bear Arms. No one in their right mind defines Arms as any and every type of "gun" that can be created.
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Lol. You left out the “something else”.
 
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luthervol said:
Kind of like how you guys love to avoid "the well regulate militia" part?
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Two separate rights, separated by a comma, joined under a single amendment.

Unless you want to argue the right to peacefully assemble, and freedom of speach, is really only in relation to religious freedom. You dont have a leg to stand on here.
 
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hndog609 said:
You mean the whole point of differentiation between the prefatory and operative clauses laid out in painstaking detail in Heller? Yeah...he does that.
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We would completely turn this nation on its head if we applied that same reading to the other amendments.
 
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LouderVol said:
Two separate rights, separated by a comma, joined under a single amendment.

Unless you want to argue the right to peacefully assemble, and freedom of speach, is really only in relation to religious freedom. You dont have a leg to stand on here.
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I’m kinda of liking his “ arms “ argument . Taking it in the context in which it’s written and the problems they were facing , ARMS included everything the could get their hands on for offense and defense .
 
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