Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
I have two. One got engaged a couple of months ago. She and her fiancé moved to NYC a couple of weeks ago and are moving into an apartment in Manhattan (Chelsea). The other just bought a house in Glenwood Park in Atl with her boyfriend. They both have my view on guns.
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Well should there ever be a domestic situation, hopefully the boyfriends and and fiancée will just stop since they know you don’t like guns. Have you ever lived in East TN, SW VA, Eastern Kentucky? Do you have any uneducated 18 year old girls are basically forced into marriage with some redneck ******* with temper issues and a big truck with a MAGA sticker? Guess what the only equalizer is for the 115 pound homecoming Queen? Also Mazel Tov on having a regular excuse to hang out in Glenwood. I miss it.
 
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luthervol said:
It's pretty much exactly what you implied.
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Not even . I said the ultimate goal of you reasonable and rational types is firearm bans . You are just trying to figure out how to boil this frog slowly through , emotions , fear porn , using big scary words like weapons of war, and barrel shrouds . Its cleaver using talking points that avoid facts and pull on the heart strings of the highly uneducated ( on this subject ) in your party . There’s no reasonable and rational when there’s already more fines , fees, bans , registrations laws and taxes on this right vs any other one we have .
 
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luthervol said:
Because with those two things in place, you would know what guns a person supposedly has.
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But what's the point of knowing that? What do you hope to accomplish with the audits? If it's not illegal to have more than 10, why do you need to audit those people?

Because anyone who is buying a gun to sell illegally is not going to have it registered. Instead all you are going to do is hassle law abiding citizens.

Seriously how many of the shooters would you stop with this? The only one I could think of that might have been audited was the Vegas shooter. The rest of these guys bought less than 4 guns at a time, and had less than 10.

This is your typical downward slope slippery slope stance. Propose something that does nothing, and you know would do nothing based on the case evidence. So that later you can turn it to buying two guns or owning 5, then its every time you buy a gun you get audited, be fun to see the government do these audits tens of millions of times a year. And it wouldnt stop anything. We dont need more TSA bs.
 
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luthervol said:
So then what's the big deal with making them more effective?
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You arent proposing anything to make them more effective. Your are proposing another layer that does the exact same thing as the system in place.

Your entire ignorance is based about wanting to feel safe, but not actually being safe. You want to be lied to by the people who will profit from the lies.
 
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LouderVol said:
You arent proposing anything to make them more effective. Your are proposing another layer that does the exact same thing as the system in place.

Your entire ignorance is based about wanting to feel safe, but not actually being safe. You want to be lied to by the people who will profit from the lies.
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Hire more government workers, make people pay more taxes.

I'm telling you, he's got a career in politics ahead of him.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Hire more government workers, make people pay more taxes.

I'm telling you, he's got a career in politics ahead of him.
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It's never been about safety or lives with any of them. It's about power. The government wants more power. They want the government to have more power so the government will do more for them. They are dependent whether fiscally, morally, or comfort based on the government. They cant accept independence as it directly challenges their dependence and stands in the way of the lies they want to hear.

Because sadly they dont recognize they are in an abusive relationship that because of their self inflicted dependence they are incapable of leaving. They are willing to accept the lies from their abuser because it's easier than dealing with the reality they made for themselves. Better to go along with the abuse and accept worse abuses in the future, than have to work towards their own independence that would grant them the truth they seek from the lies.
 
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LouderVol said:
You have to remember luther values his feelings over your safety.
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This is a great divide in right vs left ideology.
The Right believes your right to protect your family is fundamental, constitutional, and shall not be infringed. This right is as sacred as your right to free speech, to breathe, etc.

The left believes you should stfu, you far right Fox News watching conservatard! Nobody needs a gun! (Except for government officials and those hired to protect government officials).
 
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VOLS INC. said:
This is a great divide in right vs left ideology.
The Right believes your right to protect your family is fundamental, constitutional, and shall not be infringed. This right is as sacred as your right to free speech, to breathe, etc.

The left believes you should stfu, you far right Fox News watching conservatard! Nobody needs a gun! (Except for government officials and those hired to protect government officials).
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I wouldn't go that far, if you're lumping in Republicans most of them don't believe you have the right to protect your family from the government.
 
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