Gun control debate (merged)

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Rickyvol77 said:
Just because there is also crime around alcohol and other narcotics doesnā€™t mean that there is none due to weed. Itā€™s not ā€œdragging it downā€ to correctly point out various thefts, robberies, assaults and murders that have occurred because of marijuana.
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Because itā€™s illegal and therefore profitable.
Make it legal and that goes away.

You learned nothing from prohibition.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
This is 100% šŸ‚šŸ’©!

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Not seeing the language that would make cleaning your gun illegal.

"(aa) (1) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, sell, offer to sell, transfer, purchase, or receive a ghost gun in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce." Plenty of other bs.

Like now @luthervol will be able to argue that 1 gun is actually at least four. Uppers, lowers, barrels, and fire control, will each require serial numbers and will each be considered a firearm.
 
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LouderVol said:
Not seeing the language that would make cleaning your gun illegal.

"(aa) (1) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, sell, offer to sell, transfer, purchase, or receive a ghost gun in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce." Plenty of other bs.

Like now @luthervol will be able to argue that 1 gun is actually at least four. Uppers, lowers, barrels, and fire control, will each require serial numbers and will each be considered a firearm.
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The best part of your post is pointing out that the tweet @CagleMtnVol posted was complete bs. It is another perfect example of how misinformation, distortion, and outright lying are used to inflame the gun crowd.
 
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luthervol said:
The best part of your post is pointing out that the tweet @CagleMtnVol posted was complete bs. It is another perfect example of how misinformation, distortion, and outright lying are used to inflame the gun crowd.
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It's not outright lying. There were still three other true bits about the bill. There was 1 where my interpretation didnt match theirs. Could be they just quoted the wrong section, which could be a simple typo, or just getting it wrong. Could be I was looking at the wrong section.

This bill is still the biggest overstep I have seen in my life time for guns. And not a single thing they propose would stop any of the shootings that have happened. Its laughable to call it protecting the kids when all it does it tighten their use of controls on commerce of pieces, not entire guns.
 
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evillawyer said:
You ignore that the whole world has the same social issues as the US, but not the guns. It's access to the guns that's the problem.
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Have you ever noticed that the charts showing mass shootings are never normalized to account for national population, or that they don't include other forms of mass killings? Germany just had one with a car driven into a crowd. There have been plenty of incidents elsewhere with bombs. How about a chart showing gun related mass shootings as related to air time by "news" outlets. How about some charts showing mass shootings by year, and relating that to social dysfunction?
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Honest question, are these russian plants carrying out domestic terror? Two are shot dead and third is killed by 'a fleeing car' after' shots ring out near Tennessee bar | Daily Mail Online
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Ever notice the popular response if to take guns away from normal people rather than take gangs out of circulation? Maybe I've missed some history, but it seemed like mass shootings died down a bit after some other gangs were taken out of circulation decades ago. Chattanooga has a problem with gangs and some areas of town generally, but you'd think this is just normal good ole boys out playing around with legal guns ... probably racist to point out the real issues. It's easy to just lump gang problems in with other "mass shootings" to get the number looking good when the real message is it isn't guns, it's the people holding them.
 
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luthervol said:
I think voluntary charity is far more preferable than government programs. As I have often said, government only steps in when and where society has failed to adequately address the problem in the absence of government.
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And who decides when ā€žsociety has failedā€œ? Seems to me like government itself gets to make that call. And yes, I know we elect the government; but they donā€™t listen to US when it comes to spending our money at all
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And who decides when ā€žsociety has failedā€œ? Seems to me like government itself gets to make that call. And yes, I know we elect the government; but they donā€™t listen to US when it comes to spending our money at all
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The question Luther always ignores:

Why should government take from those that haven't failed to support those that have? It's not "societies" job to take care of those who refuse to take care of themselves.
 
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hog88 said:
The question Luther always ignores:

Why should government take from those that haven't failed to support those that have? It's not "societies" job to take care of those who refuse to take care of themselves.
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Being old isn't a failure. Being disabled isn't a failure. Being critically ill isn't a failure. Being an orphan isn't a failure. Being mentally ill isn't a failure.

The whole premise of your comment says it all.
I don't believe we should give a dime to anyone who refuses to help themselves (with the possible exception of the mentally ill). Never have - never will.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And who decides when ā€žsociety has failedā€œ? Seems to me like government itself gets to make that call. And yes, I know we elect the government; but they donā€™t listen to US when it comes to spending our money at all
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Society ultimately decides. We've allowed the government to devolve as it has. We could also demand that it improve.
 
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luthervol said:
Being old isn't a failure. Being disabled isn't a failure. Being critically ill isn't a failure. Being an orphan isn't a failure. Being mentally ill isn't a failure.

The whole premise of your comment says it all.
I don't believe we should give a dime to anyone who refuses to help themselves (with the possible exception of the mentally ill). Never have - never will.
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Being old and not saving for it is failing, disabling oneself is failing, not having insurance is failing. Not taking care of family that is truly mentally ill is failing.
 
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luthervol said:
Society ultimately decides. We've allowed the government to devolve as it has. We could also demand that it improve.
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ā€žSociety decidesā€œ. How exactly does that work? Do you have the instructions or procedures document for that? I donā€™t remember ā€žsocietyā€œ ask me how much I wanted to be taxed or where I wanted that money to go? My Congressional representatives sure as heck havenā€™t
 
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luthervol said:
Society ultimately decides. We've allowed the government to devolve as it has. We could also demand that it improve.
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You just had a liberal President say that if SCOTUS doesnā€™t rule the way he believes he should use EO to try and mitigate that ruling and you said nothing . One of the lefts biggest talking points their propaganda machine pumps out is how ā€œ fill in the blank - is killing or a threat to our democracy ā€œ . Itā€™s getting harder to take your posts serious , when the threats always seem to be from the opposite end of your subjective opinions . Go ahead and tell us again how close to ā€œ center ā€œ you think you are . šŸ˜‚
 
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