Gun control debate (merged)

[IluvdoubleD's]

Come to think of it, if the world were comprised of perfect, sinless, Holy creatures, we wouldn't need a lot of things: Laws, currency, LEOs, fences, jails, banks, government, . . . almost sounds like Heaven.

or the nineties.

we weren't perfect, but the world was.

 

[Orangeslice13]

But he did it in a teaching manner. And from a place of love.

I think too many here have forgotten about love.

That was not a friendly rebuke. It was a straight out back fist to the face. He called the man an “opposer” of the most high G-d. He could be absolutely harsh to those who deserve it. And He will not hesitate to order the destruction of most by saying “depart from me you who practice lawlessness, I don’t know you”. I’m sure it will be in a loving tone though.

Again, that kid knew nothing of Messiah and should have kept his mouth shut. Much like people who try to tell “Christians” how they should act because they’re “Christian”. Those people should probably be more worried about themselves.

 

[StarRaider]

Don't blame me, over 60% of Republicans believe The Big Lie. Fox has simply capitalized on the fact that the Radical Right will believe anything. They live in a fact-free echo chamber. It's your own fault for buying into the nonesense.

bless your white libtard guilty heart

 

[StarRaider]

or the nineties.

we weren't perfect, but the world was.

Other than the 98 Vols nothing about the 90s was perfect lol

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I'm closer to death than life. I lived the seventies, 80's and so on. More of my life was without a phone than with. The 90's were complete freedom for my gen. I did it all.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

again, I agree with everything except the age limit. If you can be conscripted to go over seas and kill people for your country you are an adult across the board.

 

[C-south]

TN has constitutional carry now for almost a year since 7/1/2021. However that does not mean that I can do what ever I want, I have to follow rules that apply to specific functions and duties that apply to me that I have voluntarily accepted.

The rules here are you can open carry if you have a conceal carry permit. If it’s considered a pistol you’re good to go. Of course we have the normal rules about carrying in government buildings, schools, and places that serve alcohol. No bars but you can go into an Applebee’s you just can’t sit at the bar or consume.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You can’t buy a gun while intoxicated.

But Nancy Pelosi can vote on legislation that affects 340 million Americans whilst 3 sheets to the wind

 

[EricStratton]

Even with subsonic rounds I have a hard time believing it.

Well believe it. It’s reality. You can’t effectively silence the string or it’s slap. Can’t control the motion in the bows material. Can’t control the signature of the pulleys. Also .308 will reach out and touch something far enough away that this entire discussion is moot.

 

[OrangeTsar]

again, I agree with everything except the age limit. If you can be conscripted to go over seas and kill people for your country you are an adult across the board.

I will support an increase in the age to purchase a firearm as long as it is matched by an equivalent increase in voting age. I am bing serious here.

 

[EricStratton]

The rules here are you can open carry if you have a conceal carry permit. If it’s considered a pistol you’re good to go. Of course we have the normal rules about carrying in government buildings, schools, and places that serve alcohol. No bars but you can go into an Applebee’s you just can’t sit at the bar or consume.

You can sit at the bar.

 

[C-south]

Well believe it. It’s reality. You can’t effectively silence the string or it’s slap. Can’t control the motion in the bows material. Can’t control the signature of the pulleys. Also .308 will reach out and touch something far enough away that this entire discussion is moot.

Bet you can’t hit me.

 

[C-south]

You can sit at the bar.

Not in SC

 

[AM64]

If your brain isn’t mature enough to own a gun at 18; then it isn’t yet mature enough to vote either. Change my mind.

Absolutely agree. No problem raising the age to buy a gun as long as they also raise the age of majority and all the things that go with it like voting. Make that the issue and dems will back off in a hurry. I'd argue that immature people with votes are far more dangerous with a vote than with the opportunity to own a gun. Who knows, it might even have helped prevent mountains of student debt, too. Insurance and car rental companies know very well that kids under 25 are usually bad risks because of immaturity.

 

[AshG]

If you're old enough to make the personal sacrifice and stand on the yellow footprints, you should be allowed to vote, own a gun, buy and drink alcohol, and light up and smoke.

How many gun-friendly countries also have mandatory conscription after high school? Maybe their gun violence stats are lower because of the intense training their high school graduates have to go through.

That's an actual question, not a rhetorical one. It's late and I'm too tired to dig right now.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Shall not be infringed

 

[AM64]

Yes there is a failure, there is a failure in juvenile records being sealed so they’re not reported to the BGC system. Same for mental cases.

We coddle adolescents - even after age 18, and wonder why they still do stupid stuff. Makes you think a lot of adults are doing that thing of repeating actions and expecting different results. Dems got their voting block by including kids and pampering kids; they have to live with it.

 

[AM64]

again, I agree with everything except the age limit. If you can be conscripted to go over seas and kill people for your country you are an adult across the board.

It's a good tag line, but anybody that age in the Army is definitely supervised and directed. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now. There's no way that a lot of guys I knew in basic or even beyond were mature enough at 18 not to be a risk to themselves or others. They could be reasonable soldiers with butt kicking supervision. If you want to argue the other part from back then, 21 year olds were getting on with professional education or jobs so it was "inconvenient" to disrupt that - many 18 yo HS grads were in need of discipline that the military gave them. BTW, I enlisted in the Army during my junior year at UT - I was still too young to vote, but mature enough to know I was wasting my time because I needed a change of pace from school.

 

[DonjoVol]

or the nineties.

we weren't perfect, but the world was.

The world was not perfect in the 90s.

 

[AM64]

If you're old enough to make the personal sacrifice and stand on the yellow footprints, you should be allowed to vote, own a gun, buy and drink alcohol, and light up and smoke.

How many gun-friendly countries also have mandatory conscription after high school? Maybe their gun violence stats are lower because of the intense training their high school graduates have to go through.

That's an actual question, not a rhetorical one. It's late and I'm too tired to dig right now.

I've been there and done that, and I still disagree. There's a lot of "supervision" in the military that doesn't carry over into personal life. Personally speaking, as long as we see PTSD as a fact of life and a behavior enabler, it would seem to negate that argument also.

 

[EricStratton]

Not in SC

I’m sorry. I was thinking Tennessee.

You should move to a free state (which is weird to say as SC is the model state which many HGCP laws were based. But then again time marches on and many have abolished that draconian rule).

And, not if you’re hiding well.

 

[0nelilreb]

In ohio we have a no permit conceal carry. Basically, anyone can be armed. Doesn't stop the two crackheads from trying to pull an armed robbery at the RALLEY's hamburger joint the other night.

Not everyone .. do you have any friends that drive a truck for a living ? Ask them

 

[CAVPUT]

No one wants your precious firearms. We just want to make to where, oh, idk, an 18 year old kid with a history of mental illness and even had been in trouble for threatening to shoot up a school, can't go buy an AR 15 and unload on children. All the school shootings we have in this country, can you not agree step 1 might be not letting HS kids legally buy a gun?

What I question is how someone that age working at a minimum wage job could afford weapons like that not to mention the ammo/armor, etc. Stinks more than just a little. I'm sick of hearing how the authorities "knew of" a perp but didn't act on it. Even worse is this expectation that the police will be there to help much less stop an attack. They show up after the fact dressed like a tactical team to show off their gear and put on a show for the press but other than taking care of paperwork, they do nothing but clean up AFTER the fact. Consider the attacks that happen each and every day that don't involve firearms. Stabbings, beatings, robberies, rapes. Our society has gone mad and people have a God given right to defend themselves. Yes, my firearms are "precious". The second amendment is "precious" and non-negotiable. Anyone foolish to believe that we'd have utopia by removing firearms from the hands of the people and trusting this evil den of vipers we call the federal govt is a fool and deserves the hell they get. Firearms are not the problem. Removing them from the people's possession leaves only the criminals and govt with them. Personally, I find that to be completely unacceptable and insane. It won't make things safer. It will close the doors on the cage that's being crafted right before our eyes. Speaking as a vet and from a family where 2 members died fighting for this country, it's a hell no from me.

 

[Rickyvol77]

yep, IDK the exact law and I don't need it. There is a law about owning guns with a cannabis card. weed smokers are not out here shooting people lmao. Weed smokers don't even give a ****. We would rather people smoke weed than buy guns.... but even so, I have had a pistol my whole life and never committed a crime. I don't need the AR, I need the weed, and when I do need the AR it will be provided for me. I've shot an ar off only about three times, and that thing was so butter I was popping tennis balls from 40 yards with no previous experience. Didn't need it.

If you don’t believe people who smoke weed are involved in gun violence, you are clueless. Ten people were murdered in knox county this year over weed

 

[C-south]

I’m sorry. I was thinking Tennessee.

You should move to a free state (which is weird to say as SC is the model state which many HGCP laws were based. But then again time marches on and many have abolished that draconian rule).

And, not if you’re hiding well.

I don’t think that not consuming alcohol while carrying a firearm in a public business is a draconian rule.