Gun control debate (merged)

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K-town Vol Fan said:
I agree with OP. Hand guns and long rifles, thats it. Ban high capacity mags. No one on this board can come up with a valid reason they need an AR except for "muh rites'
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I’ve got 6. And I can shoot my handguns faster than the ARs. The ARs have 30 rd magazines and my carry pistol holds 21+1. Do I have an assault pistol? Look, Maybe we can’t give a reason to “need” one but you can’t give a reason to take it either.
 
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1vol8 said:
Luther. You really should stop talking about things you clearly don’t understand. An AR15 shoots a .22 caliber projectile. Smallest projectile on the market. Anything smaller and we’re talking BBs. No AR15 manufactured makes these projectiles fly any faster. A 223 is a 223 no matter what tool you use to fire it from. It’s coming out of an M&P 15 just as fast as it’s coming out of Daniel Defense. Same for the 556. Now you can get more power if you step up to an AR10. But you gun grabbers wouldn’t know about AR10s because you’re so worried about the much weaker AR15s because that’s what the media tells you about. But your media knows as much as you do. Nothing.

So the only nonsense I’m reading is under your name. Not his
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All I saw was blah, blah, blah. I'm saying different types of guns are not designed to fire the same number of rounds in y seconds.
It's not overly complicated.
 
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luthervol said:
All I saw was blah, blah, blah. I'm saying different types of guns are not designed to fire the same number of rounds in y seconds.
It's not overly complicated.
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And you’re wrong. You just can’t wrap your head around it because you don’t understand guns. Performance when talking guns comes with furniture and only improves things like Accuracy and trigger pull. The round it fires comes with its own capabilities that can not be changed. The barrels of any gun can handle hundreds even thousands of continuous rounds at a time. But you keep referring to “x rounds in y seconds” and you can’t seem to get that that is on the operator and not the gun itself
 
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luthervol said:
All I saw was blah, blah, blah. I'm saying different types of guns are not designed to fire the same number of rounds in y seconds.
It's not overly complicated.
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Look up Jerry Miculek and tell me if he’s only shooting assault pistols.
 
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1vol8 said:
And you’re wrong. You just can’t wrap your head around it because you don’t understand guns. Performance when talking guns comes with furniture and only improves things like Accuracy and trigger pull. The round it fires comes with its own capabilities that can not be changed. The barrels of any gun can handle hundreds even thousands of continuous rounds at a time. But you keep referring to “x rounds in y seconds” and you can’t seem to get that that is on the operator and not the gun itself
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Can you fire the same number of rounds per second from an AR-15, a shot gun, a single bolt rifle, and every type of handgun?
If your answer is no, then I'm right and you are wrong.
 
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luthervol said:
As I said yesterday, this debate does nothing but lead both side to hold the other in even less regard.
Currently, I can't really seem to lower that regard any further, which is a position I would honestly prefer avoiding.
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Good thing Constitutional law is pretty clear on it and you will never come close to your asinine emotional irrational fear laws
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Good thing Constitutional law is pretty clear on it and you will never come close to your asinine emotional irrational fear laws
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They've already ruled multiple times that rational and reasonable regulations and limits are constitutional.
 
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luthervol said:
Can you fire the same number of rounds per second from an AR-15, a shot gun, a single bolt rifle, and every type of handgun?
If your answer is no, then I'm right and you are wrong.
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A shotgun? Yes. Mine is a semi automatic so it’s capable of shooting 10 rounds per second if my finger will go that fast. Single bolt? No. Hence the word single. A bolt action rifle is a hunting rifle and therefore one action of the bolt is one round. A revolver? Yes, if your finger can move that fast.

So I think we’ve found the problem. You think ALL semi automatic guns are assault weapons
 
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luthervol said:
Can you fire the same number of rounds per second from an AR-15, a shot gun, a single bolt rifle, and every type of handgun?
If your answer is no, then I'm right and you are wrong.
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Did you look up Jerry Miculek? I seem to remember a while back us going back and forth and you suggested I look up a certain song or something. Even though we were disagreeing I did what you asked just in case I was wrong. You should give me the same respect. Look him up and watch him. Gun grabber or not you might enjoy it anyway. He’s amazing and very entertaining to watch. But he’ll show you what ANY semi automatic weapon is capable of
 
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1vol8 said:
A shotgun? Yes. Mine is a semi automatic so it’s capable of shooting 10 rounds per second if my finger will go that fast. Single bolt? No. Hence the word single. A bolt action rifle is a hunting rifle and therefore one action of the bolt is one round. A revolver? Yes, if your finger can move that fast.

So I think we’ve found the problem. You think ALL semi automatic guns are assault weapons
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But all shot guns are not semi automatic? So all shot guns do not have the same rate of fire capabilities?
Again. That's my point.
So a revolver can shoot as many rounds per second as other handguns? They have different capabilities.
 
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luthervol said:
But all shot guns are not semi automatic? So all shot guns do not have the same rate of fire capabilities?
Again. That's my point.
So a revolver can shoot as many rounds per second as other handguns? They have different capabilities.
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Again, your issue is the semi automatic capability. A semi automatic will shoot as fast as your finger will allow it. So will a revolver if your good enough. Truth be told very few people if any on this earth are capable of truly stretching a semi automatic weapon to its true capabilities. I really think we’ve gotten to the bottom of your issues. What you have to wrap your head around is the fact that your problem isn’t with the gun. It’s with the shooter because the gun is just a tool. The real weapon is the operator. Like it or not I’m going to send you a couple videos to show you what I’m talking about so you can literally SEE what I’m talking about.
 
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1vol8 said:
Again, your issue is the semi automatic capability. A semi automatic will shoot as fast as your finger will allow it. So will a revolver if your good enough. Truth be told very few people if any on this earth are capable of truly stretching a semi automatic weapon to its true capabilities. I really think we’ve gotten to the bottom of your issues. What you have to wrap your head around is the fact that your problem isn’t with the gun. It’s with the shooter because the gun is just a tool. The real weapon is the operator. Like it or not I’m going to send you a couple videos to show you what I’m talking about so you can literally SEE what I’m talking about.
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I’ve pointed out many times before that I can put more rounds on target with a much bigger caliber in 1 minute with my K31 straight pull (that’s a Swiss bolt action rifle from WW2) than I can an AR or AK. It holds 7 rounds.

People that don’t know guns don’t understand them. It doesn’t matter how many it holds in a magazine if you can’t hit the target with it.
 
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1vol8 said:
Again, your issue is the semi automatic capability. A semi automatic will shoot as fast as your finger will allow it. So will a revolver if your good enough. Truth be told very few people if any on this earth are capable of truly stretching a semi automatic weapon to its true capabilities. I really think we’ve gotten to the bottom of your issues. What you have to wrap your head around is the fact that your problem isn’t with the gun. It’s with the shooter because the gun is just a tool. The real weapon is the operator. Like it or not I’m going to send you a couple videos to show you what I’m talking about so you can literally SEE what I’m talking about.
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This guy is cocky so don’t listen to him. Just watch till the end. This is a revolver @luthervol

 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve pointed out many times before that I can put more rounds on target with a much bigger caliber in 1 minute with my K31 straight pull (that’s a Swiss bolt action rifle from WW2) than I can an AR or AK. It holds 7 rounds.

People that don’t know guns don’t understand them. It doesn’t matter how many it holds in a magazine if you can’t hit the target with it.
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I’m going to show him anyway
 
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Vol Main said:
Banning Assault Rifles


Herschel Walker just gave a rambling speech, with a line about "taking your rights away." I always supported Second Amendment, and I still do. I know all of the arguments for it, and I've made them in the past. I still think everything I said was reasonable and right, except for one thing. When it got a lot of children killed, it stopped being right.


So don't talk to me about taking away your rights or "the security of a free state." High capacity, semi-automatic, high powered rifles on the market do not make us more secure. Obviously, they make us less secure. If you do not believe me, ask parents of those dead children. Ask the children who survived. Ask any sensible person. Do I think police should knock on your door and take away your rifle? No, and I want to quash talk of any proposed legislation to that effect, as quickly as possible. I believe that owning high capacity magazines, i.e. over seventeen, should be illegal. But I do not think that possession of the rifles themselves should become a crime. We need to stop people who want to commit mass murder from walking out of a gun store with one of those guns, and the only way to do that is to ban their manufacture and sale. That is what I support doing.


Look-it, I've owned a few semi-automatic long guns. I enjoyed shooting them and learning about them. I used to carry an M-16 rifle as a soldier and thought I had the right to own a high powered, semi-auto rifle if I wanted as a civilian. No, I don't. I have no right to weapons of war when they are the guns of choice to commit mass murders one after the other. Will the murders continue after people are no longer able to walk out of guns stores with assault rifles? Yes, but the murders will not be nearly as bad, and police will be able to respond more quickly and effectively.


I want gun owners to understand that banning the sale of assault rifles is not the end of their gun rights, not the end of our country, and not the end of the world. I imposed a self-ban, and I'm doing just fine. I do not need one, and neither do you. I do not want one, and I don't think you should.
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Typical ignorant liberal response. Blame the weapon , never mind the idiot carrying it around.
 
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luthervol said:
I just saw on the most recent timeline from the Uvalde shooting..............
11:32 a.m.: The suspect fires at the school.

11:33 a.m.: The suspect enters the school and begins shooting into a classroom. He shot more than 100 rounds.

11:35 a.m.: A total of seven officers are on the scene, and three officers enter the school, later followed by an additional team of three more officers and a sheriff. Two of the initial officers received grazing wounds from the suspect while the classroom door was closed.

..................and that he shot more than 100 rounds in about a two minute period. (I'm sure it could have been more)

Personally, that meets my definition of an automatic weapon. I think that type of capability is pointless and should and could be restricted without one bit of infringement on anybody's 2a rights.
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So despite the fact that there’s no correlation between gun ownership and homicide you still want to ban the majority of all guns (semi automatic weapons) in this country?
 
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1vol8 said:
Again, your issue is the semi automatic capability. A semi automatic will shoot as fast as your finger will allow it. So will a revolver if your good enough. Truth be told very few people if any on this earth are capable of truly stretching a semi automatic weapon to its true capabilities. I really think we’ve gotten to the bottom of your issues. What you have to wrap your head around is the fact that your problem isn’t with the gun. It’s with the shooter because the gun is just a tool. The real weapon is the operator. Like it or not I’m going to send you a couple videos to show you what I’m talking about so you can literally SEE what I’m talking about.
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It will make zero difference what you send him. He is against guns, although he says he isn’t. He is for ”reasonable and rational” gun laws, but will never state what that is.
 
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