Gun control debate (merged)

[OrangeTsar]

So which do you disagree with?

Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising.

None of those remotely can be construed as „hate speech“

 

[Vol8188]

That's the one I saw and use.

You still have the burden of proving a need for additional gun control before we can even move onto the question of is it constitutional to do so

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Agreed. Why do you believe we need additional gun control? Do you have some evidence of this

You mean beyond the two dozen people killed every time the weather gets warm because they want to play road rager?

 

[0nelilreb]

So I guess you are saying it is unconstitutional based on your interpretation but not unconstitutional based on the interpretation of the SCOTUS.
That's odd for something that has no room for interpretation.

Are you saying all SCOTUS rulings are correct and they are infallible? Here’s me doubling down

 

[Vol8188]

You mean beyond the two dozen people killed every time the weather gets warm because they want to play road rager?

24/330m would be the world’s lowest homicide rate. I agree we aren’t far from it, but don’t exaggerate

 

[OrangeTsar]

lol....the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Certainly has plenty of room for interpretation,
Not allowing you to purchase 5 guns at one time is IN NO WAY infringing on your right to keep and bear arms.

You may interpret it differently, but I think your interpretation is dead wrong and a bastardization of the true intent.

You DO know what „infringement“ means right? You better believe that limiting the number of guns I can purchase at one time constitutes infringement

 

[luthervol]

None of those remotely can be construed as „hate speech“

Obscenity? What exactly is obscene language?

 

[luthervol]

You still have the burden of proving a need for additional gun control before we can even move onto the question of is it constitutional to do so

Our homicide by gun rates.
Amount of armed roberies.
Accidental deaths.
Suicides.

 

[luthervol]

Are you saying all SCOTUS rulings are correct and they are infallible? Here’s me doubling down

Of course not, because there is so much intended room for interpretation embedded in the constitution.

 

[luthervol]

You DO know what „infringement“ means right? You better believe that limiting the number of guns I can purchase at one time constitutes infringement

No more so than an age restriction of 18, actually less so.

 

[0nelilreb]

Of course not, because there is so much intended room for interpretation embedded in the constitution.

Any SCOTUS ruling that goes against the literal written word of the constitution , is by definition unconstitutional. Shall not be infringed upon needs no interpretation. There’s no grey area , it’s literally written in black and white .

 

[Vol8188]

Our homicide by gun rates.
Amount of armed roberies.
Accidental deaths.
Suicides.

Why would we only look at “by gun” rates rather than “homicide rates”? Shouldn’t the question be “will banning guns save lives” not “will banning guns lead to people killing people with something other than guns”

We have less robberies.

We have low suicide rates

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Study: Tennessee ranks No. 1 in vehicle gun thefts nationwide | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather

Funny I just came across this story. Last week a co-worker asked me to see if his headphones where in his car on my way out, opened the door, there's a pistol in plain sight. Told him to keep his **** locked.

 

[Vol8188]

Study: Tennessee ranks No. 1 in vehicle gun thefts nationwide | WJHL | Tri-Cities News & Weather

Funny I just came across this story. Last week a co-worker asked me to see if his headphones where in his car on my way out, opened the door, there's a pistol in plain sight. Told him to keep his **** locked.

So the problem is the victims of theft?

Do you hold victims of rape to this same standard? Is it her fault?

 

[85SugarVol]

Is having to be 18 in order to purchase a gun an infringement?

I believe so.

 

[OrangeTsar]

No more so than an age restriction of 18, actually less so.

Sigh….you know as well s I do that full constitutional rights don’t extended to those under 18. any attempt to limit pst 18 though is unconstitutional
Court strikes down California age limit on gun sales
And that btw is from the 9th circuit, the most liberal District court in the country

 

[C-south]

So infringements are constitutionally allowed?

When it comes to the 2A no but we allow it.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Obscenity? What exactly is obscene language?

What are you even talking about? Are you claiming „hate speech“ can be regulated as obscenity?

 

[luthervol]

Any SCOTUS ruling that goes against the literal written word of the constitution , is by definition unconstitutional. Shall not be infringed upon needs no interpretation. There’s no grey area , it’s literally written in black and white .

You keep leaving off what proceeds those words.....the right to keep and bear arms.

No one is infringing on your right to keep and bear arms.
Can you keep arms? Can you bear arms?

Maybe take this angle, exactly who CANNOT keep and bear arms?????????

 

[luthervol]

Sigh….you know as well s I do that full constitutional rights don’t extended to those under 18. any attempt to limit pst 18 though is unconstitutional
Court strikes down California age limit on gun sales
And that btw is from the 9th circuit, the most liberal District court in the country

Do you have to be 21 to buy a handgun?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I have a problem with gun nuts and the detrimental effects their insanity has on our country.

See you do understand. “their insanity” is a people problem.

 

[luthervol]

When it comes to the 2A no but we allow it.

They are not allowed but we allow it?

Interesting. I think maybe 2a is open for interpretation.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

So the problem is the victims of theft?

Do you hold victims of rape to this same standard? Is it her fault?

WTF? How is that even comparable.

 

[luthervol]

What are you even talking about? Are you claiming „hate speech“ can be regulated as obscenity?

What is obscene language?

 

[Vol8188]

WTF? How is that even comparable.

Both are victims of crimes. In both cases the example I’m providing is blaming the victim. Why is it different?