Gun control debate (merged)

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#19,951
TN Ribs said:
No, my baseline is not wrong. Sheesh, do a little homework before you post next time and save yourself the embarrassment. It doesn't matter what Delaware did or did not do relative to voting laws, all that matters is that other states decided to pass laws under the guise of voter integrity even though there was no fraud to be found. Spineless, whiny lawmakers coming up with a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
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What did they do to make voting more restrictive? Some examples would be nice.
 
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#19,952
85SugarVol said:
No sir.

I’m pretty hardcore pro-liberty. On many fronts.

Guns
Abortion

Those are the two that come up most often here recently.
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I'm more for finding that sweet spot. That's how I view abortion. That's how I view guns.
I don't support a woman's right to abort for any reason up to the point of birth.
But I certainly do support her right to abort for any reason in the first trimester.
I don't support a person's right to buy as many guns, and of any type, as they wish.
But I certainly support a person's right to purchase and own guns.
 
#19,953
#19,953
TN Ribs said:
No, my baseline is not wrong. Sheesh, do a little homework before you post next time and save yourself the embarrassment. It doesn't matter what Delaware did or did not do relative to voting laws, all that matters is that other states decided to pass laws under the guise of voter integrity even though there was no fraud to be found. Spineless, whiny lawmakers coming up with a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
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Is this not exactly what you ought to be doing? You've been asked for examples several times now.

An old man with a peace symbol for an avatar is what's actually embarrassing. The hippie movement thankfully died 50 years ago.
 
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#19,954
OrangeTsar said:
What other amendments in the bill of rights would you also like the upcoming generation to view differently? They are already well on their way to dismantling the first and the ninth and tenth have been disregarded for generations
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I understand attacks on the Second.
I don’t agree, but I understand.

I do not understand the attacks on the First.
Who in Democrat strategy thought that was a good idea?
 
#19,955
#19,955
85SugarVol said:
I understand attacks on the Second.
I don’t agree, but I understand.

I do not understand the attacks on the First.
Who in Democrat strategy thought that was a good idea?
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You don't understand because I imagine you're a normal person, not a fragile power pervert.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm more for finding that sweet spot. That's how I view abortion. That's how I view guns.
I don't support a woman's right to abort for any reason up to the point of birth.
But I certainly do support her right to abort for any reason in the first trimester.
I don't support a person's right to buy as many guns, and of any type, as they wish.
But I certainly support a person's right to purchase and own guns.
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I understand your position. I simply hold a different one.

I do support unlimited bodily autonomy.
I do support the right of the citizenry to arm.

We can still hang out.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I understand attacks on the Second.
I don’t agree, but I understand.

I do not understand the attacks on the First.
Who in Democrat strategy thought that was a good idea?
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If you weaken the 1st it's easy to get rid of the 2nd and that's their ultimate goal.
 
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#19,958
85SugarVol said:
I understand attacks on the Second.
I don’t agree, but I understand.

I do not understand the attacks on the First.
Who in Democrat strategy thought that was a good idea?
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They have to eventually destroy the first (under the guise of fighting „disinformation“ and „hate speech“) because they have discovered that they will always lose the argument unless they can silence the opposition as the left‘s ideas are frankly…..laughable.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
What other amendments in the bill of rights would you also like the upcoming generation to view differently? They are already well on their way to dismantling the first and the ninth and tenth have been disregarded for generations
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2nd will suffice. No need to put too many irons in the fire.
 
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hog88 said:
If you weaken the 1st it's easy to get rid of the 2nd and that's their ultimate goal.
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They want to get rid of all the Bill of Rights (at least as they have traditionally been understood) because each of them is a defense of the individual against arbitrary state power. And you can’t control the public (for their own good of course) if they keep doing silly things like asserting „rights“. To the left, the State is All.
 
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#19,962
OrangeTsar said:
They have to eventually destroy the first (under the guise of fighting „disinformation“ and „hate speech“) because they have discovered that they will always lose the argument unless they can silence the opposition as the left‘s ideas are frankly…..laughable.
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I guess I should say I understand why they would want limits on the First.

I do not understand the strategy to come out and openly attack the First. Attempting to demonize Free Speech is not going to work imo.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
They want to get rid of all the Bill of Rights (at least as they have traditionally been understood) because each of them is a defense of the individual against arbitrary state power. And you can’t control the public (for their own good of course) if they keep doing silly things like asserting „rights“. To the left, the State is All.
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Muh, rights.
Free-dumb.

I'm sure there are others I’m forgetting.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I guess I should say I understand why they would want limits on the First.

I do not understand the strategy to come out and openly attack the First. Attempting to demonize Free Speech is not going to work imo.
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Over time it will unless it's fought tooth and nail at every turn.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Going after the First is a losing strategy imo
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They are already halfway there in asserting an ability to regulate disinformation and „hate speech“ (neither of which have any Constitutional meaning). And if polls of college age students are correct, majority of them actually think such speech isn’t constitutionally protected. The only bulwark between us and a leftist dictatorship is the 5 or (sometimes) 6 black robbed justices who still think the Constitution means what it plainly says
 
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We should tie the 1st, 2nd... all the amendments to government and state pensions and healthcare. That would wrap up this debate and cement the amendments forever.
 
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#19,969
OrangeTsar said:
They are already halfway there in asserting an ability to regulate disinformation and „hate speech“ (neither of which have any Constitutional meaning). And if polls of college age students are correct, majority of them actually think such speech isn’t constitutionally protected. The only bulwark between us and a leftist dictatorship is the 5 or (sometimes) 6 black robbed justices who still think the Constitution means what it plainly says
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The DGB is dead
 
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TN Ribs said:
No, my baseline is not wrong. Sheesh, do a little homework before you post next time and save yourself the embarrassment. It doesn't matter what Delaware did or did not do relative to voting laws, all that matters is that other states decided to pass laws under the guise of voter integrity even though there was no fraud to be found. Spineless, whiny lawmakers coming up with a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
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You should provide at least one example. I mean, you must have so many with all the homework you've done

If your baseline is the once-in-a-lifetime, pandemic election then it's wrong

Delaware matters because you blamed the GOP yet the head of the Dem party is a 5 decade senator from Delaware.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No, read carefully. The official announcement is that it is „paused“. They will restart it once the heat is off only next time they will not announce it. They learned their lesson this time
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Oh, well I won’t argue that. They may try and bring it back, but I doubt it.

Mary Poppins resigned from DHS though.
 
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