Gun control debate (merged)

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hndog609 said:
This is one of the new myths. The AR is THE most popular rifle platform in this country and has been for some time now for pretty much every purpose a rifle can be used. It's not one jot more than a more modern* take on those rifle types that became ubiquitous when they came out before.

*By "modern" I mean been on sale to the public for going on 60 years now.
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Him saying they were stastically a problem was very laughable. I forget how many zeros are in front of the number but it's at least 4 or 5.

Stastically you are more likely to be injured or killed by a vehicle rather than a gun.
 
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LouderVol said:
Him saying they were stastically a problem was very laughable. I forget how many zeros are in front of the number but it's at least 4 or 5.

Stastically you are more likely to be injured or killed by a vehicle rather than a gun.
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Even moreso than an AR. Rifles literally (no really, seriously) account for fewer homicides than edged weapons, blunt instruments or even no weapons at all. (punching/kicking/strangling)
 
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LouderVol said:
All of my points were related. Anything is a weapon if you put it in the hands of someone with intent or lack of knowledge. We have too much of both.

The weapon/tool hasnt fundamentally changed. The AR series of platforms, beyond your scary AR-15 didnt make any real revolutionary changes from what was otherwise available. Maybe the failure button, forward assists for the AR bois out there, but I am honestly not versed enough to know for sure. Large capacity mags were a thing. Semi auto was a thing. "Military style" was a thing, and you could find them all in one package. Maybe the use of 5.56 which would be specifc to the 15. But i would think there were other manufacturers with their own pre-AR-15 models of rifles with 5.56. So again nothing really changed with the guns.

Gun access has only gone down, with ownership dropping too, until recently. But with the amount of times i get flagged at the range now i am not so sure that's an improvement. But that goes back to my point of people not being raised on how to use a gun.

Taking away guns, limiting access or sales, should be the absolute last resort. Not the first, and only, card that gets played. If you want to convince pro 2A people that there is no other choice, you need to show your other body of work that has otherwise failed, go over all the options, and how you ended up at restricting or limiting the 2A. You may not see it as such, but to the people who are pro 2A you are.
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I am thoroughly convinced that there is nothing that can be said or done that will change the mind of any anti-gun control 2a guy.

I just hope that the upcoming generation views the situation differently.
 
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luthervol said:
I am thoroughly convinced that there is nothing that can be said or done that will change the mind of any anti-gun control 2a guy.

I just hope that the upcoming generation views the situation differently.
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That's because we use logic to form our opinions, not lies and emotions. Show some actual data pointing to the need for more gun control instead of emotional and false ******** and you might be surprised.
 
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hndog609 said:
Even moreso than an AR. Rifles literally (no really, seriously) account for fewer homicides than edged weapons, blunt instruments or even no weapons at all. (punching/kicking/strangling)
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If I remember right it isn't even close either.

Leftoids want us to be like the memes about England where we need a license, background check, and 30-day limit to buy a butter knife.
 
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hog88 said:
That's because we use logic to form our opinions, not lies and emotions. Show some actual data pointing to the need for more gun control instead of emotional and false ******** and you might be surprised.
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This is exactly what the GOP has done with restrictive voting laws - all emotion and lies,, no data whatsoever to support their position. Clearly, they support owning weapons over participating in democracy - spineless and pathetic.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course we should be focusing on ALL of the reasons why that is and also on the weapons of choice.

Many of the reasons of "why that is" cannot be addressed without some limitations and/or inconveniences to individual freedoms and rights.
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I reject any and all attempts to limit individual freedoms and rights here in the interest of safety
 
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TN Ribs said:
This is exactly what the GOP has done with restrictive voting laws - all emotion and lies,, no data whatsoever to support their position. Clearly, they support owning weapons over participating in democracy - spineless and pathetic.
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What restrictive voting laws? The most restrictive voting laws are in solidly blue states.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Get your head out of the sand. Only an idiot, or Fox News viewer, wouldn't know that 19 states enacted new voting restrictions in 2021. All of them based on emotion and lies.
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Actually that's not what happened. In fact, many described as more restrictive actually offered more hours than before. Then you have an example like the fact Delaware is more restrictive than Georgia and your point starts to fall apart

Your baseline is wrong
 
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TN Ribs said:
Get your head out of the sand. Only an idiot, or Fox News viewer, wouldn't know that 19 states enacted new voting restrictions in 2021. All of them based on emotion and lies.
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Yet none of them are as restrictive as CT and Delaware for example.

Can you point out some of the new restrictions in these 19 states?
 
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luthervol said:
I am thoroughly convinced that there is nothing that can be said or done that will change the mind of any anti-gun control 2a guy.

I just hope that the upcoming generation views the situation differently.
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What other amendments in the bill of rights would you also like the upcoming generation to view differently? They are already well on their way to dismantling the first and the ninth and tenth have been disregarded for generations
 
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hog88 said:
Yet none of them are as restrictive as CT and Delaware for example.

Can you point out some of the new restrictions in these 19 states?
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utvolpj said:
Actually that's not what happened. In fact, many described as more restrictive actually offered more hours than before. Then you have an example like the fact Delaware is more restrictive than Georgia and your point starts to fall apart

Your baseline is wrong
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No, my baseline is not wrong. Sheesh, do a little homework before you post next time and save yourself the embarrassment. It doesn't matter what Delaware did or did not do relative to voting laws, all that matters is that other states decided to pass laws under the guise of voter integrity even though there was no fraud to be found. Spineless, whiny lawmakers coming up with a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
 
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