Gun control debate (merged)

[C-south]

Society must define what individual liberties are.

Like Germany in the 1930s and 40s?

 

[MG1968]

Like Germany in the 1930s and 40s?

Salem, Massachusetts in the 1600s?

 

[hog88]

lol.........By whom?

And it means jack if society doesn't agree.

You were born with the right to defend yourself and possess the means to do so. No one needs "societies" permission.

 

[hog88]

Salem, Massachusetts in the 1600s?

Australia 2020 - ?

 

[LouderVol]

True - but there is no other way.

There are plenty of other ways. Our nation was founded on one of them.

 

[luthervol]

Like Germany in the 1930s and 40s?

Nope. That's what happens when society doesn't decide.
But thanks for supporting my point.

 

[luthervol]

Society can’t be trusted and there are numerous examples throughout history that proves this.

Just because they have been wrong has absolutely no baring on the fact that that's the way it has to be.

 

[luthervol]

You were born with the right to defend yourself and possess the means to do so. No one needs "societies" permission.

Society agrees.

 

[luthervol]

Australia 2020 - ?

Do you think the majority in Australia agree with what is happening?

 

[luthervol]

There are plenty of other ways. Our nation was founded on one of them.

lol....Society selected men to write the constitution and conflicts were settled with a majority vote.
Thanks for proving my point.

 

[LouderVol]

lol....Society selected men to write the constitution and conflicts were settled with a majority vote.
Thanks for proving my point.

Majority vote of representatives. Representatives of states.

 

[hog88]

Nope. That's what happens when society doesn't decide.
But thanks for supporting my point.

Society did decide. Hitler was elected by his society.

 

[luthervol]

Majority vote of representatives. Representatives of states.

How were the representatives selected?

 

[hog88]

Just because they have been wrong has absolutely no baring on the fact that that's the way it has to be.

Placing the desires of "society" over individual liberty is how tyranny thrives.

 

[luthervol]

Society did decide. Hitler was elected by his society.

People screw up elections all of the time (see 2016).
That still changes nothing about the reality - society always ultimately decides.
It can be no other way!

 

[luthervol]

Placing the desires of "society" over individual liberty is how tyranny thrives.

Society rejects tyranny.

 

[hog88]

Do you think the majority in Australia agree with what is happening?

No and that will be evident this May.

 

[luthervol]

No and that will be evident this May.

Proving my point, once again.

 

[utvolpj]

How were the representatives selected?

Skin color, gender and money

 

[hog88]

People screw up elections all of the time (see 2016).
That still changes nothing about the reality - society always ultimately decides.
It can be no other way!

The majorities opinion/decisions do not matter, they can only enforce their will through the threat of violence or actual violence.

Face it Luther you support the tyranny of the majority.

 

[luthervol]

Skin color, gender and money

All definitely factors in the selection process. Thank god society has evolved.

 

[hog88]

Society rejects tyranny.

History proves this statement incorrect.

 

[utvolpj]

All definitely factors in the selection process. Thank god society has evolved.

It actually hasn't since they were all part time legislators and also educated.

 

[luthervol]

The majorities opinion/decisions do not matter, they can only enforce their will through the threat of violence or actual violence.

Face it Luther you support the tyranny of the majority.

I understand reality.
That probably looks tyrannical to you.

 

[luthervol]

History proves this statement incorrect.

No it doesn't. It proves it emphatically.