Gun control debate (merged)

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#14,103
OHvol40 said:
Ok, so why are other countries so much better? Do their imaginary lines not matter too, or is that inconvenient?
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Iā€™ve seen you ask this question a variety of ways now. What is the answer you are looking to bring into the conversation?

Those countries removed firearms?
Those countries restricted access?
A combination?
Something else?
 
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#14,104
OHvol40 said:
So itā€™s shocking that more things happen where the most people live? Come on now, I expected better from YOU this time. Are we the only country with large metro areas? Absolutely not obviously, in fact, itā€™s quite the opposite.

Also, are you suggesting that most most violence is occurring in the most populated areas (still feels weird that this isnā€™t intuitive to most people, but ok) that this isnā€™t an American problem? It happens in America, but not the part of America that you live in so itā€™s not your problem? Is that what Iā€™m hearing from this crowd?
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Did you go out for postage to keep mailing it in? First letā€™s get this out of the way; for the third (3rd) time I donā€™t give a damn about other countries. With all the population, cultural, demographic, ethnic, socio-economic, etc variables in play Iā€™m not interested in the transitive game. If thatā€™s still your play just kindly donā€™t bother replying. Thanks.

But for really weighing down the postman we have the ā€œThings happen more in populated areas, duh.ā€ take. Pretty lazy considering whatā€™s been cited. Already pointed out is how states deemed gun ā€œfriendlyā€ by G&A can have low murder rates and those deemed ā€œunfriendlyā€ can have very high rates. We then go to cities. If it was just a 1 to 1 relationship well hat would be that, but it isnā€™t. Cities with similar populations can have distinct or even profoundly different murder rates. For instance (pop/mr)

San Antonio TX, (1.5m/8.5)/Philly PA, (1.5m/20.6)
Houston TX, (2.3m/11.5)/Chicago, IL , (2.7m/24.13)
El Paso TX, (688k/2.76)/DC, (693k/16.72)
Fort Worth TX, (873k/8.02), Columbus OH, (872/16.28)
Boston MA, (683k/8.35), Detroit MI, (671k/39.8)
Portland OR, (649k/3.7), Baltimore MA, (613k/55.77)
Mesa AZ, (492k/4.67), KC MO, (485k/30.93)
Lexington KY, (322k/9.0), St L MO, (310k/66.07)

And so it goes. Actually if youā€™d given even a cursory glance to the map in the counties article youā€™d see itā€™s not just a ā€œcolor the population redā€ map. The simple fact is thereā€™s a major overrepresentation of violent crime is some very tightly defined areas of this country. So, again, most 2A supporters are not nor will ever be down with the idea that the massive majority of gun owners all across the nation should carry the weight of those few.
 
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hog88 said:
It does in TN and VA. Federal stamps for migratory bird is still needed.

Fishing license is still required.
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I checked and you are correct. For some reason I had it in my head I had to get a license to hunt my property. I've been waiting to hunt a big old gobbler behind the house. No worries now.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I checked and you are correct. For some reason I had it in my head I had to get a license to hunt my property. I've been waiting to hunt a big old gobbler behind the house. No worries now.
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Be careful hunting deer and turkey on your own land without a license . Make sure you qualify and have met the requirements. I also think you still have to hunt any game in season .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Be careful hunting deer and turkey on your own land without a license . Make sure you qualify and have met the requirements. I also think you still have to hunt any game in season .
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You can't hunt out of season unless you have a nuisance permit. :) But in season landowners and immediate family do not need a permit in VA and TN.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Be careful hunting deer and turkey on your own land without a license . Make sure you qualify and have met the requirements. I also think you still have to hunt any game in season .
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Yes, you have to go by the regulations as far as seasons, baglimits etc. I looked and I own the property with my wife, solely. Evidently if it's joint ownership outside the immediate family, you have to have the license. Turkey season is upon us though so I should be good to go.

On another note, I have/had a pesky groundhog down around my barn. It's been digging under the foundations of two buildings. The guy's been clever though. Every time I've seen him before I could grab my gun, he would take off.

Yesterday, I saw him. Went straight into the house and grabbed my AR that I specifically assembled to take out coyotes from long distances. Ginormous Vortex scope. Snuck out the back door, used a large Bradford pear as cover and got into the prone position. I had racked the bolt before walking out the door, loading a Hornaday Varmit Express round into the chamber. I took aim and settled myself for about an 150 yard shot. I placed the crosshairs right about the neck area as he stood up to look around. I gently squeezed the Geisely SSA. Nothing but a click. Ejected the round, saw no dimple in the primer. Removed the bolt and inspected the firing pin. Everything looked good. I chambered another round thinking the bolt at not have been seated. Still nothing but a click.

Went back in the house, grabbed another bolt carrier group out of another AR and grabbed some Winchester Varmit ammo just in case. Groundhog is still cooperating. (By the way, crawling around on hands and knees and belly crawling is not as easy as it used to be). I put the new BCG in the upper receiver, chambered another Hornaday round, steadied myself again, and click. Now I'm befuddled.

I thought it must be the Hornaday stuff. I removed the mag and cycled the bolt. This time the round didn't eject. I had to turn the gun barrel up for the round to fall out. I then compared the Hornaday to the Winchester. The Hornady round obviously differed slightly from the Winchester. My old eyes wouldn't focus enough on the back of the cartridge to read it so I decided to figure out that puzzle later.

Meanwhile, the groundhog was doing his part by staying put. I go ahead and load a couple of rounds into my 30 round mag (who needs a 30 round mag anyway. Am I right?) Chamber a Winchester round. Barrel roll from behind the tree into a prone position. Take steady aim. Gently squeeze that 100% awesome trigger), and boom! Groundhog never knew what hit him. Perfect shot to the neck. Groundhog down!

What was with the Hornady ammo, you ask? Upon further inspection evidently Remington made/makes rifles that use the 222 Remington. I swear I've looked at that box a dozen times and never noticed I purchased the wrong ammo.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yes, you have to go by the regulations as far as seasons, baglimits etc. I looked and I own the property with my wife, solely. Evidently if it's joint ownership outside the immediate family, you have to have the license. Turkey season is upon us though so I should be good to go.

On another note, I have/had a pesky groundhog down around my barn. It's been digging under the foundations of two buildings. The guy's been clever though. Every time I've seen him before I could grab my gun, he would take off.

Yesterday, I saw him. Went straight into the house and grabbed my AR that I specifically assembled to take out coyotes from long distances. Ginormous Vortex scope. Snuck out the back door, used a large Bradford pear as cover and got into the prone position. I had racked the bolt before walking out the door, loading a Hornaday Varmit Express round into the chamber. I took aim and settled myself for about an 150 yard shot. I placed the crosshairs right about the neck area as he stood up to look around. I gently squeezed the Geisely SSA. Nothing but a click. Ejected the round, saw no dimple in the primer. Removed the bolt and inspected the firing pin. Everything looked good. I chambered another round thinking the bolt at not have been seated. Still nothing but a click.

Went back in the house, grabbed another bolt carrier group out of another AR and grabbed some Winchester Varmit ammo just in case. Groundhog is still cooperating. (By the way, crawling around on hands and knees and belly crawling is not as easy as it used to be). I put the new BCG in the upper receiver, chambered another Hornaday round, steadied myself again, and click. Now I'm befuddled.

I thought it must be the Hornaday stuff. I removed the mag and cycled the bolt. This time the round didn't eject. I had to turn the gun barrel up for the round to fall out. I then compared the Hornaday to the Winchester. The Hornady round obviously differed slightly from the Winchester. My old eyes wouldn't focus enough on the back of the cartridge to read it so I decided to figure out that puzzle later.

Meanwhile, the groundhog was doing his part by staying put. I go ahead and load a couple of rounds into my 30 round mag (who needs a 30 round mag anyway. Am I right?) Chamber a Winchester round. Barrel roll from behind the tree into a prone position. Take steady aim. Gently squeeze that 100% awesome trigger), and boom! Groundhog never knew what hit him. Perfect shot to the neck. Groundhog down!

What was with the Hornady ammo, you ask? Upon further inspection evidently Remington made/makes rifles that use the 222 Remington. I swear I've looked at that box a dozen times and never noticed I purchased the wrong ammo.
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Iā€™m not an avid turkey hunter , but I have buddies that are all in . I love to piss them off when they get to talking about how hard it is to call them in and how much harder turkey hunting is than deer hunting , by interrupting their bro hug it out session and saying ..ā€ I donā€™t know why you cry so much about it , I just wait for them to go to roost , take my flashlight and 22 down to the tree and shoot the hens because they are more tenderā€ . You wouldnā€™t believe how mad that makes a grown ass man . šŸ˜‚
 
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OHvol40 said:
The reality is it takes less time to purchase a gun than it does to get a hunting or fishing license.
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How do you anti gun folks keep having the nerve to keep showing up, when you're as wrong as this always? I mean seriously, it's truly mind boggling.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I did. I added the graphs that break it out. The majority are suicides. Youā€™re cherry picking data and excluding the majority of gun deaths... again.

What else ya got?
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Wait, do you not know the difference between a suicide and a homicide? Because what I showed you didnā€™t include suicides.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Prove to us that people arenā€™t the problem when the majority of gun deaths in the US by a long shot are suicide not homicide. You conveniently keep ignoring that in your diatribe.

And I also showed you data illustrating that homicide in the US is largely unchanged for the last 100+ years.

Seriously what the hell have you actually got?
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Lol you must be a half-wit. A bad stat that goes unchanged over 100+ years doesnā€™t make anything but a century-long bad stat.
 
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0nelilreb said:
It does me , it shows just how stupid people can be when they are packed into urban cities . We should definitely try do something about that . I suggest better leadership , fix the underlying problems , raise the community standards and Iā€™ll bet the farm the gun violence goes down . šŸ˜‰
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Again, youā€™re saying that the US is poor on gun violence because it has population centers? Youā€™ll have to elaborate to me how that uniquely qualifies us.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Wait, do you not know the difference between a suicide and a homicide? Because what I showed you didnā€™t include suicides.
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Yes I do. And Iā€™m pointing out that you continually leave them out. Our homicide rate is mostly constant for over a hundred years and suicides dominate gun deaths in America.

Your premise doesnā€™t hold water. The rate at which people are killing each other has been fairly constant for over 100 years and isnt correlated to any late term blow up in Gun ownership.

Do you actually have a valid point you can make or do you just have deflection and disingenuous ā€œI want a serious discussionā€ BS when your crap keeps getting thrown back at you as not passing muster.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Iā€™ve seen you ask this question a variety of ways now. What is the answer you are looking to bring into the conversation?

Those countries removed firearms?
Those countries restricted access?
A combination?
Something else?
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Depends and which one exactly, but looking to see if gun violence number correlate to policy, whatever that may be, is the scientific approach.
 
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