Gun control debate (merged)

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LouderVol said:
I am wondering why it's not racist to reasonably restrict one right but not another? Its racist to want ID checks for votes, but not racist to want ID checks, background checks, wait periods, number limitations etc on guns? It's not a logical step.

if we could agree to the same standard for ALL rights I would be willing to listen. That would at least be logical. If you restrict one more than another you are creating tiers, which has no lawful support that I know of.

Imo we already have similar restrictions on them, cant hurt anyone, cant use them to lie to our favor, cant take others away, etc. So if we want more on one they have to be applied to all.
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Because exercising one right doesn't result in the death of innocent people where the other "right" does and on a daily basis.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You didn’t answer my question , I asked when did the studies stop ? You said we can’t have them here anymore . That is simply not true .
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He absolutely answered your question with proof. You may not like the answer, especially since it involved your beloved NRA, who are gods to most of you people on here, but he certainly answered your question.
 
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bnhunt said:
Because exercising one right doesn't result in the death of innocent people where the other "right" does and on a daily basis.
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So these guns are just running around all by themselves killing people? To compare the 2A to crybabies whining about identification laws says alot about you.
 
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vols40 said:
So these guns are just running around all by themselves killing people? To compare the 2A to crybabies whining about identification laws says alot about you.
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This argument is so dumb. Comparing an object that kills thousands of innocent people a year to other inanimate objects like a kitchen table is just so silly, deflective, and asinine.
 
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bnhunt said:
This argument is so dumb. Comparing an object that kills thousands of innocent people a year to other inanimate objects like a kitchen table is just so silly, deflective, and asinine.
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You realize a gun is an inanimate object, right? Human action is the driving factor. Examine the number of people killed by fists every year and get back to us.
 
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bnhunt said:
He absolutely answered your question with proof. You may not like the answer, especially since involved your beloved NRA, who are gods to most of you people on here, but he certainly answered your question.
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If the NRA went away tomorrow, I’d throw a party. They’re far too complicit in compromising our rights.
 
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Mick said:
Personally, I don't have friends like that and have never heard the horror stories of being denied a gun. The first hunting rifle I bought was kicked for further review during the BGC, I got it the next day.
So, do you personally know anyone that has had to hire a lawyer because someone wouldn't sell them a gun?
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Nope. My friends aren't dopes, "twitchy", or "meth heads". I also don't know any one who has been denied the sale of a firearm after completing the BGC.

And neither do you.

Getting back to the whole "it's easier to purchase a gun than to get a hunting/fishing license" canard, do you know of anyone denied a F&G license based on the arbitrary "feelings" of a proprietor?

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You realize a gun is an inanimate object, right? Human action is the driving factor. Examine the number of people killed by fists every year and get back to us.
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Try to protect yourself with a butter knife then since it is also an inanimate object. This has to be the stupidest argument that can be made for why you need a gun.
 
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bnhunt said:
Because exercising one right doesn't result in the death of innocent people where the other "right" does and on a daily basis.
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Wrong as usual . Me exercising my right to bear arms does not result in the death of innocent people . Arguing with a gun grabber is like arguing with a teenaged girl , it’s all emotional based on one side and they will throw the baby out with the bath water in a second , to get what they want . Smh
 
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OHvol40 said:
Just like healthcare problems here, dealing with the consequences of people’s natural inclinations isn’t good enough, proactiveness is the best solution.
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Wrong on so many levels . You start from a position of assuming people’s natural inclination is to shoot someone . If you have two children , one does as you ask , obeys what say and doesn’t get into trouble , do you punish that one because the other one does the opposite? I can name you multiple cities and states that took this proactive approach to stop people from committing crimes with firearms , they will be the strictest gun laws in this country , and they will be failures . Proving that theory wrong . Punishing the masses for the sins of the few is always been a horrible ideology.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Wrong as usual . Me exercising my right to bear arms does not result in the death of innocent people . Arguing with a gun grabber is like arguing with a teenaged girl , it’s all emotional based on one side and they will throw the baby out with the bath water in a second , to get what they want . Smh
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Gun owners are the most emotional people in America. If you propose anything that restricts your "right" to the unfettered purchase of firearms you lose your minds.
 
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bnhunt said:
Gun owners are the most emotional people in America. If you propose anything that restricts your "right" to the unfettered purchase of firearms you lose your minds.
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I’ve watched you make emotional cries for more gun restrictions every single time you get on based on nothing more than fear you or yours may be in danger when you go out in public . Every one is met with logical responses, which in turn ends up with you calling us all right wingers, gun nuts , or rednecks . Nobody is losing their minds , I do see a lot of frustration trying to explain a right vs an emotional outcry though .
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Were we overthrowing the government?

And yeah the leadership there got fried I believe. Do you believe Kent State is not brought up to every officer cadet as a failing of leadership?
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No idea. But again I pay attention to historical evidence. And Kent State wasnt even to the extremes we are talking about. So it is probable.
 
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bnhunt said:
Gun owners are the most emotional people in America. If you propose anything that restricts your "right" to the unfettered purchase of firearms you lose your minds.
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The right to bear inanimate objects shalt not be infringed.
 
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bnhunt said:
Gun owners are the most emotional people in America. If you propose anything that restricts your "right" to the unfettered purchase of firearms you lose your minds.
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Yeah when these fourth amendment freaks are like hey stop violating my rights I’m like shut up pansies. People defending their rights are idiots.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I’ve watched you make emotional cries for more gun restrictions every single time you get on based on nothing more than fear you or yours may be in danger when you go out in public . Every one is met with logical responses, which in turn ends up with you calling us all right wingers, gun nuts , or rednecks . Nobody is losing their minds , I do see a lot of frustration trying to explain a right vs an emotional outcry though .
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A "right".
 
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