Gun control debate (merged)

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0nelilreb said:
Wait What ? Nobody disagrees that the NRA lobbies congress but to insinuate that’s all they do and that Planned Parenthood doesn’t have a super pact that does the same thing is disingenuous. They most certainly lobby Congress using a super pact and other entities.
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Sure they lobby like the rest but they provide necessary services with much of their money. The NRA does not and should never receive funds. They're not similar
 
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BigOrangeD said:
None I'm sure. Same for DEMs. They all benefit from these industries being in their respective states.
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Of course they do which is why the push to defund pp is disingenuous. No one pushing for it is truly concerned with the dollar figures being spent
 
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utvolpj said:
Like the military? Cutting big chunks of it will have a larger effect than pp

Maybe end tax exempt status for places of worship? Should fund a good medical center in most cities
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Why should after tax money given to a place of worship be taxed again? And is that a road we want to go down where the county seizes a church because it can’t pay taxes? Or taxes are raised to run the mosque out of town?
 
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utvolpj said:
Sure they lobby like the rest but they provide necessary services with much of their money. The NRA does not and should never receive funds. They're not similar
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Exactly. I'm not asking anyone to pay for my guns or ammo so don't ask me to pay for your abortion.

See, now we're on the same page. Next subject.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Why would PP? If women can't afford an abortion she should take steps to keep from having one because it isn't my responsibility to pay for it.
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Because it's not just about an abortion. Read up on what pp does and then tell me where people go when funding is cut off. Provide an alternative
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Why should after tax money given to a place of worship be taxed again? And is that a road we want to go down where the county seizes a church because it can’t pay taxes? Or taxes are raised to run the mosque out of town?
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I assume he's talking about churches being except from property taxes, which I think needs to end. What he is wrong about is that money going to the fed gov to fund medical centers. Property taxes stay local.
 
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utvolpj said:
Whether you like it or not PP provides necessary services to people who otherwise may not get them. I don't particularly like that it's govt funds but provide an alternative instead of just getting rid of it.

It's in no way similar to the NRA which is a lobbying org. The tweet was stupid
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I'm not opposed to abortion and I still don't believe PP should receive taxpayer money. Private organizations should be funded with private money.
 
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hog88 said:
I assume he's talking about churches being except from property taxes, which I think needs to end. What he is wrong about is that money going to the fed gov to fund medical centers. Property taxes stay local.
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No I'm not wrong I'm saying the tax money raised from houses of worship could be used for that purpose.
 
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utvolpj said:
Because it's not just about an abortion. Read up on what pp does and then tell me where people go when funding is cut off. Provide an alternative
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I know what they imply they do. Take out abortions and what you are talking about is only 3% of their buisness.
 
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Mick said:
Gunman at USAtoday.
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WASHINGTON — USA TODAY's headquarters in McLean, Virginia was evacuated Wednesday amid a heavy police presence to what authorities said turned out to be a mistaken report of a person with a weapon at the suburban Washington office.
 
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utvolpj said:
No I'm not wrong I'm saying the tax money raised from houses of worship could be used for that purpose.
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So you think a federal tax on the practice of religion is a good idea. Any other parts of the BOR you want to throw in the trash?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
So you think a federal tax on the practice of religion is a good idea. Any other parts of the BOR you want to throw in the trash?
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Yes, I think taxing the property they use is acceptable. I would think the exception they enjoy would violate the bor more than any tax that's applied to every property
 
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utvolpj said:
No I'm not wrong I'm saying the tax money raised from houses of worship could be used for that purpose.
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Could be if the local government appropriates the money to that BUT property taxes generally go to schools.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes, I think taxing the property they use is acceptable. I would think the exception they enjoy would violate the bor more than any tax that's applied to every property
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The congregation of that church already pays property taxes on the places they live. Why do we need more ways for the government to tell us what to do with our money? And again, do we want a place of worship folding because they can’t pay the government?
 
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utvolpj said:
Because it's not just about an abortion. Read up on what pp does and then tell me where people go when funding is cut off. Provide an alternative
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Then if it isn’t just about abortion remove abortion from the list of services and keep them going. I’ve offered this alternative twice now.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
The congregation of that church already pays property taxes on the places they live. Why do we need more ways for the government to tell us what to do with our money? And again, do we want a place of worship folding because they can’t pay the government?
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Ok, what’s different between a HOW and a business them?
 
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utvolpj said:
Pregnant women get lots of tests. Some like my wife get many more than others. I didn't see the part where they show a 97% abortion services rate. I did dim it but maybe you could quote it for me?
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Lol. If you read it how did you miss this?

This is why the group takes pains to list its annual “services,” which is much higher than the number of patients Planned Parenthood saw last year (2.4 million). Using this deceptive formula, the report manipulates the data to make it appear as if abortion is a tiny fraction of its work, though a much higher percentage of actual patients who visit Planned Parenthood clinics are there, first and foremost, to obtain an abortion.
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