Gun control debate (merged)

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happy-go_vol said:
Evil as most dems have a political mental illness. If you think the libs aren't happy about these tragedies, then i have a bridge im selling. This is the best thing to happen for marxists and communists to push their agenda.
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This is complete idiotic nonsense. Good grief you're clueless
 
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utvolpj said:
This is complete idiotic nonsense. Good grief you're clueless
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i havent read the two latest threads, but in pretty much all the others luther, LG, Evil, and so on have stated they don't care about the lives. they care about the guns. getting the guns out of peoples hands. not protecting the lives of the innocent, but getting rid of the guns.

its part of why the disappear super fast, or never show up, in threads where a shooting doesnt advance their argument. even what he is referring to hear Evil laments the fact that there is a gun there. he doesn't celebrate that someone defended them self. they never do.

it would be a lot easier for them to sell their angle to the board if they did so, or if their first post was about getting rid of guns, or when are we going to see change?

now, does Happy take it too far, probably. but its clear they are only in those threads to push taking away guns. any time any proposes a possible solution that doesnt involve getting rid of guns they ignore or berate it.
 
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LouderVol said:
i havent read the two latest threads, but in pretty much all the others luther, LG, Evil, and so on have stated they don't care about the lives. they care about the guns. getting the guns out of peoples hands. not protecting the lives of the innocent, but getting rid of the guns.

its part of why the disappear super fast, or never show up, in threads where a shooting doesnt advance their argument. even what he is referring to hear Evil laments the fact that there is a gun there. he doesn't celebrate that someone defended them self. they never do.

it would be a lot easier for them to sell their angle to the board if they did so, or if their first post was about getting rid of guns, or when are we going to see change?

now, does Happy take it too far, probably. but its clear they are only in those threads to push taking away guns. any time any proposes a possible solution that doesnt involve getting rid of guns they ignore or berate it.
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link to them hoping for a shooting? Being happy with people getting shot and killed?

Repubs hope for Muslim terror attacks. That sound rational? The claim is no different. Happy joe vol is a clown of epic proportions and should be treated as such
 
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utvolpj said:
link to them hoping for a shooting? Being happy with people getting shot and killed?

Repubs hope for Muslim terror attacks. That sound rational? The claim is no different. Happy joe vol is a clown of epic proportions and should be treated as such
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link to me saying that? I even said Happy took it too far.

they always say there is no point in "thoughts and prayers" and the like. Why? if its about the lives lost I would think thoughts and prayers are all that is left for our departed. look at any of the threads or times spending gets brought up. There are always a couple of us saying how the spending is bad, no matter who done it. even though its pointless we care, and show it. they say they care, but they never show it. look at most threads and the "reasonable" people will always chime in about what is important to them. But when it comes to shootings the only thing the collective "they" bring up is the guns. or Trump if you are LG.
 
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LouderVol said:
link to me saying that? I even said Happy took it too far.

they always say there is no point in "thoughts and prayers" and the like. Why? if its about the lives lost I would think thoughts and prayers are all that is left for our departed. look at any of the threads or times spending gets brought up. There are always a couple of us saying how the spending is bad, no matter who done it. even though its pointless we care, and show it. they say they care, but they never show it. look at most threads and the "reasonable" people will always chime in about what is important to them. But when it comes to shootings the only thing the collective "they" bring up is the guns. or Trump if you are LG.
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Don't reply to PJ, nothing good comes of it.
 
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LouderVol said:
link to me saying that? I even said Happy took it too far.

they always say there is no point in "thoughts and prayers" and the like. Why? if its about the lives lost I would think thoughts and prayers are all that is left for our departed. look at any of the threads or times spending gets brought up. There are always a couple of us saying how the spending is bad, no matter who done it. even though its pointless we care, and show it. they say they care, but they never show it. look at most threads and the "reasonable" people will always chime in about what is important to them. But when it comes to shootings the only thing the collective "they" bring up is the guns. or Trump if you are LG.
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Ok where have they said the ones don't matter? I haven't seen that either

T&p are worthless. It requires no effort and accomplishes nothing
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
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No Debate-A Right!
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Predators have time on their side, prey do not.
That is why Everyone in America was given a God given right to defend themselves!

Please take a moment to watch this powerful video!


I reject the tweeters position that everyone in America was given a God-given right. We HAVE those rights inherent within us. No one gives them to us. Especially not a government bureaucrat. Rant over.
 
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McDad said:
No Debate-A Right!
1f1fa-1f1f8.png


Predators have time on their side, prey do not.
That is why Everyone in America was given a God given right to defend themselves!

Please take a moment to watch this powerful video!


I reject the tweeters position that everyone in America was given a God-given right. We HAVE those rights inherent within us. No one gives them to us. Especially not a government bureaucrat. Rant over.
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Can’t like this enough
 
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utvolpj said:
Ok where have they said the ones don't matter? I haven't seen that either

T&p are worthless. It requires no effort and accomplishes nothing
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That the lives dont matter? Not sure if they have gone that far. I dont think they are as crass as Happy made them out to be, which again I pointed out earlier. They need the lives to push an agenda. We could have a dozen threads a day on lives lost if that's what they cared about. Yet to see any story on the victims from them, you know the lives. But somehow show the shooter had some relation to something they didnt like and they harp on it.

It's like our fans on VN claiming to be for TN but all they do is talk about our rivals on here.
 
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utvolpj said:
link to them hoping for a shooting? Being happy with people getting shot and killed?

Repubs hope for Muslim terror attacks. That sound rational? The claim is no different. Happy joe vol is a clown of epic proportions and should be treated as such
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Your opinion is that joevol is a clown. Nice job sticking to Freak's admonition to "attack the post, not the poster". Apparently, Staff Members get a pass on that. I got banned for 3 days. And mine was over UK football, not gun deaths.

I went looking for any posts you made...any...regarding the gun-related deaths in Chicago (they're at the top of the list) on any given weekend, in any given month, in any given year, going back as far as I could. You already know what I found.

Take away Chicago and the other four U.S. cities that lead the nation in gun deaths, and the U.S. drops to third from the bottom in gun deaths worldwide. Not my opinion, like yours on joevol, but fact.

But since those thousands of deaths are spread over 52 weeks, they don't make headlines outside of the local press. Instead, we (and by that I mean you and those of your ilk) choose to grandstand on those incidents where a single disturbed individual creates mass carnage within a relatively narrow timeframe. You are allowing a deranged few to distract you from the bigger problem. And you are allowing the media to lead you where they want you to go. We are given the gift of independent thought and reason, and you have...in my opinion...ceded both to whatever the media tells you to think.

You think joevol is a clown. I think you are at risk of becoming yet another brainwashed tool for those who count on the proverbial Useful Idiots to achieve their end goal. Please don't fall into that trap.

Do we have a "gun problem" in the U.S.? Yes. But the problem is not the guns. If we're going to blame the instrument, then cars should have been banned years ago. Any idea how many people die at the hands of others in vehicle accidents each year? Yes, I know, malice aforethought is usually absent there, but dead is dead. How you get there is of no concern to those who die, right?

I don't have the answer to what vexes us at this point in time. And if anyone should be concerned about guns in the hands of those who should not have them, it's me. I answer those 911 calls. I worry about our schools, our churches, our WalMarts...and my family, who go to all three.

If you've got a solution, then throw it out there. But until and unless you do, how about not being so harsh, or judgmental, on those who choose to post their opinions here, same as you do.

Honestly, if I knew I was headed to a firefight, and had to choose between you and joe to go with me, well...I'll take my chances with the clown.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Your opinion is that joevol is a clown. Nice job sticking to Freak's admonition to "attack the post, not the poster". Apparently, Staff Members get a pass on that. I got banned for 3 days. And mine was over UK football, not gun deaths.

I went looking for any posts you made...any...regarding the gun-related deaths in Chicago (they're at the top of the list) on any given weekend, in any given month, in any given year, going back as far as I could. You already know what I found.

Take away Chicago and the other four U.S. cities that lead the nation in gun deaths, and the U.S. drops to third from the bottom in gun deaths worldwide. Not my opinion, like yours on joevol, but fact.

But since those thousands of deaths are spread over 52 weeks, they don't make headlines outside of the local press. Instead, we (and by that I mean you and those of your ilk) choose to grandstand on those incidents where a single disturbed individual creates mass carnage within a relatively narrow timeframe. You are allowing a deranged few to distract you from the bigger problem. And you are allowing the media to lead you where they want you to go. We are given the gift of independent thought and reason, and you have...in my opinion...ceded both to whatever the media tells you to think.

You think joevol is a clown. I think you are at risk of becoming yet another brainwashed tool for those who count on the proverbial Useful Idiots to achieve their end goal. Please don't fall into that trap.

Do we have a "gun problem" in the U.S.? Yes. But the problem is not the guns. If we're going to blame the instrument, then cars should have been banned years ago. Any idea how many people die at the hands of others in vehicle accidents each year? Yes, I know, malice aforethought is usually absent there, but dead is dead. How you get there is of no concern to those who die, right?

I don't have the answer to what vexes us at this point in time. And if anyone should be concerned about guns in the hands of those who should not have them, it's me. I answer those 911 calls. I worry about our schools, our churches, our WalMarts...and my family, who go to all three.

If you've got a solution, then throw it out there. But until and unless you do, how about not being so harsh, or judgmental, on those who choose to post their opinions here, same as you do.

Honestly, if I knew I was headed to a firefight, and had to choose between you and joe to go with me, well...I'll take my chances with the clown.
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You never got banned for calling someone like that a clown. Happy is a returning poster who was previously banned for continued outright racist comments and homophobic slurs. My assessment is spot on and your choice of backup is questionable at best

I'm not sure why you looked for my comments on Chicago but good for you. What would you like for me to say about it? When have I ever blamed the actual guns? Make that your next search. I think you may not understand my stance on that issue
 
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Racist and homophobic? Post it. If memory serves, I got into it with LittleCat over UK Football and him lording it over UT after a win. Memory may fade after that many years it's been, but racist and homophobic is not my style at all. No matter what.

I'll stick with joe for backup. But thanks for the advice. Having been in a lead toss or two over the years, I'll lean on my experience over your opinion. But, as you pointed out, there are some things I don't understand.

Guns, and those who wield them, happens to be one of the things I do. And stance is critical to hitting the mark.
 
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utvolpj said:
link to them hoping for a shooting? Being happy with people getting shot and killed?

Repubs hope for Muslim terror attacks. That sound rational? The claim is no different. Happy joe vol is a clown of epic proportions and should be treated as such
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I'm aclown?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Racist and homophobic? Post it. If memory serves, I got into it with LittleCat over UK Football and him lording it over UT after a win. Memory may fade after that many years it's been, but racist and homophobic is not my style at all. No matter what.

I'll stick with joe for backup. But thanks for the advice. Having been in a lead toss or two over the years, I'll lean on my experience over your opinion. But, as you pointed out, there are some things I don't understand.

Guns, and those who wield them, happens to be one of the things I do. And stance is critical to hitting the mark.
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Looks like you are confused with who I'm actually talking about. You need to go back and follow the conversation or just back out. You are also trying to start a gun argument with me without any understanding of where I'm coming from. If you're interested then go search some parts like you did for some reason about Chicago. If not just continue to argue with yourself because in have no clue where you're going with this towards me
 
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It's late, I'm tired, and this is going nowhere. I'll have some free time this weekend. Let's argue then.

Yeah, joe...you're a clown. Not the creepy kind, but apparently just the racist homophobic kind. Or maybe I got confused again.

Anyhow, let's table this until I have time to burn more good oxygen on a useless and pointless thread.

G'night, all.

And Go Vols.

Edit: There's a chance I missed some posts on here. I have a number of posters on "Ignore", and I just connected the "Happy - Joe - Vol" thing. If I owe anyone an apology, tune back in this weekend. It'll be there.

But for joevol, I'll still take you in a firefight.
 
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