Gun control debate (merged)

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I’ll be testing to get my carry permit in 2 weeks.
I know Dipstick1 is excited about the thought of me with a gun on me at all times
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
This is the face of fascism and oppression. Just as it was in the 1930’s. Free people everywhere should look at this and realize good guys with guns are a necessary element in any society.

This is happening not in a poor country. Venezuela has the worlds largest proven oil reserves.
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PDVSA - Wikipedia

Oil reserves in Venezuela are the largest in the world, and the state-owned PDVSA provides the government of Venezuela with substantial funding resources.[5] Between 2004 and 2010 PDVSA contributed $61.4 billion to the government's social development projects. Around half of this went directly to various Bolivarian Missions, with the remainder distributed via the National Development Fund

Notice the reference to 25-50% of the income (depending on how read) of PDVSA being "supposedly" to "Bolivarian Missions":

Bolivarian missions - Wikipedia

The Bolivarian missions are a series of social programs implemented under the administration of former Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez[1] and continued by Chávez's successor, Nicolás Maduro; with the programs focusing on social justice, social welfare, anti-poverty, educational, and military recruiting.

Looks like a playbook I have seen here. Viva la Revolution!
 
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evillawyer said:
You got anything to counter with other than 8-year old retorts?
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I do.

If carrying a firearm makes one less safe, how come the violent crime stats have gone down over the past 20 years?

And furthermore, why is areas with higher gun restrictions like LA, Chicago and others have far more violence?

That article is pure and unadulterated ignorance.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I do.

If carrying a firearm makes one less safe, how come the violent crime stats have gone down over the past 20 years?

And furthermore, why is areas with higher gun restrictions like LA, Chicago and others have far more violence?

That article is pure and unadulterated ignorance.
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Isn’t that basically what I said?
 
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evillawyer said:
Why would you want to make yourself less safe?

Does carrying a gun make you safer? No. In fact, right-to-carry laws increase violent crime
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May I offer a counter to your article:

Stanford law prof gets it wrong on guns -- right-to-carry reduces crime, not the other way around

stanford-law-prof-gets-it-wrong-on-guns-right-to-carry-reduces-crime-not-other-way-around.html

Would you rely almost exclusively on trends in Hawaii to predict violent crime rates in Idaho, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, and Utah? Would you look at Illinois to predict changes in Louisiana and South Carolina? Illinois has a drastically difference crime landscape, with half of its violent crime occurring in Chicago.

Though it wouldn’t pass the laugh test for most people, an unpublished report making just these sorts of comparisons has been all the rage in the media. Lead author John Donohue, a professor at Stanford Law School, makes a claim which goes against existing national research: that right-to-carry laws increase violent crime.
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BigOrangeD said:
May I offer a counter to your article:

Stanford law prof gets it wrong on guns -- right-to-carry reduces crime, not the other way around

stanford-law-prof-gets-it-wrong-on-guns-right-to-carry-reduces-crime-not-other-way-around.html
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Here in Texas it is something to always keep in mind to control your or his temperament...is dude carrying? It works. Puts greater sentiment into context of any insignificant conflict. As far as actual resolution of a serious dispute, sure comes in handy.
 
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I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with gun control. If it keeps firing from knocking you on your ass and missing your target, what's the problem with it?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Tsk tsk. Cherry picking results again. Well I know you’re a fan of RAND research so...

Effects of Concealed-Carry Laws on Violent Crime | RAND

And there’s others too.
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Summary from the Rand study:

Evidence that shall-issue concealed-carry laws may increase violent crime is limited. Evidence for the effect of shall-issue laws on total homicides, firearm homicides, robberies, assaults, and rapes is inconclusive.

So it sounds like some evidence that concealed carry laws may increase violent crime and inconclusive on homicide, assaults, rapes, etc.

So if you're buying a gun because you believe it will actually improve your safety--which I assume is the primary motivation--the Rand study (which is really a meta-study of prior research) doesn't seem to support that.
 
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evillawyer said:
Summary from the Rand study:

Evidence that shall-issue concealed-carry laws may increase violent crime is limited. Evidence for the effect of shall-issue laws on total homicides, firearm homicides, robberies, assaults, and rapes is inconclusive.

So it sounds like some evidence that concealed carry laws may increase violent crime and inconclusive on homicide, assaults, rapes, etc.

So if you're buying a gun because you believe it will actually improve your safety--which I assume is the primary motivation--the Rand study (which is really a meta-study of prior research) doesn't seem to support that.
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Keep grasping at those straws evil. Additionally that link you dropped is some seriously lousy “science”.
 
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