Gun control debate (merged)

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CNCVol88 said:
Exactly identical.
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In the scenario presented, Cleatus walked up on a potential shooter, he hadn't fired yet and wasn't pointing his weapon at Cleatus. So Cleatus gets charged and sued for the deaths of the 3 women. Same should apply to a police.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
affirmative action says howdy.
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Affirmative action is an attempt to level the playing field. However, when I hire or promote people I don't consider affirmative action requirements nor do 99% of businesses in this country. Furthermore, it is well intentioned, but ultimately its level of success is debatable. By the time it is applicable it is usually too late to make a difference.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You have not correctly identified the issue. White privilege refers to the line of thinking that believes that being white give the person a built in advantage. You're an a$$hole if you don't acknowledge that 99.9% of the time being white is an advantage. If you are going to succeed in life as a black person, its not enough to be as good as your white counterpart, you need to be better.
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So much bull**** in that last sentence.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I grew up in a home with both parents present. Both had a college degree and or advanced degrees. All four of my grandparents had college degrees. All of their parents had college degrees. So now we are at a generation that was born in the late 1800s. How many black people can say the same?

College wasn't an option for me any more than high school was an option. It was just expected. I had stables and a tennis court in my yard. I grew up socializing with people of means. I am comfortable and know how to act around people that have some measure of affluence and power. How many black people can claim the same?

That being said, I am responsible for any success that I have enjoyed, but my white privilege and economic privilege gave me an advantage. I dropped out of college and got married. Eventually, I returned and paid my own way and obtained my degrees. That doesn't mean that I cannot appreciate the advantages that I had, if only in terms of education. White people are about twice as likely to have a college degree than their black counterparts. Thus, in black families, a college degree is more likely to be regarded as a goal rather than an expectation.
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Your race had nothing to do with where you are. Economic privilege? Yeah, you have an argument on that one.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Affirmative action is an attempt to level the playing field. However, when I hire or promote people I don't consider affirmative action requirements nor do 99% of businesses in this country. Furthermore, it is well intentioned, but ultimately its level of success is debatable. By the time it is applicable it is usually too late to make a difference.
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I'll let the rev Al know so he can file the appropriate lawsuits then.
 
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hog88 said:
Your race had nothing to do with where you are. Economic privilege? Yeah, you have an argument on that one.
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I don't dispute the economic privilege at all. But race plays a factor, as well. The expectations placed on me were a by product of the education levels obtained by my ancestors. How many black people can trace back 3 generation and find that everyone in their direct line has a college degree? Hell, the parents of black people my age were denied entry into public universities in the south. Until 1954, blacks went to black schools. Do you really think they received the same education?

I don't dispute that there needs to be a cultural shift within the black community. Instead of trying to get others to accept ebonics and not treat it like a sign of ignorance they should focus on teaching the youth how to speak and act in business settings. I curse like a sailor, but I recognize that while that type of talk is fine among friends it wouldn't be appropriate to greet an interviewer with a robust, "What's up f@#ker?" The focus should be on teaching the correct behavior instead of trying to get others to accept poor behavior. The constant tearing down, as Uncle Toms, successful and well spoken black people is likewise pathetic.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't dispute the economic privilege at all. But race plays a factor, as well. The expectations placed on me were a by product of the education levels obtained by my ancestors. How many black people can trace back 3 generation and find that everyone in their direct line has a college degree. Hell, the parents of black people my age were denied entry into public universities in the south. Until 1954, blacks went to black schools. Do you really think they received the same education?

I don't dispute that there needs to be a cultural shift within the black community. Instead of trying to get others to accept ebonics and not treat it like a sign of ignorance they should focus on teaching the youth how to speak and act in business settings. I curse like a sailor, but I recognize that while that type of talk is fine among friends it wouldn't be appropriate to greet an interviewer with a robust, "What's up f@#ker?" The focus should be on teaching the correct behavior instead of trying to get others to accept poor behavior. The constant tearing down, as Uncle Toms, successful and well spoken black people is likewise pathetic.
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That is still more of an economic factor.

I had 1 person in my family graduate college, my grandmother (fathers side) and outside of my mother and father most never graduated HS. So I didn't have near the academic expectations you did, really all I was expected to do was graduate HS. Yet, I overcame.

Point being is yes there is economic privilege, anyone denying that is a fool but white privilege is virtually non existent.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I grew up in a home with both parents present. Both had a college degree and or advanced degrees. All four of my grandparents had college degrees. All of their parents had college degrees. So now we are at a generation that was born in the late 1800s. How many black people can say the same?

College wasn't an option for me any more than high school was an option. It was just expected. I had stables and a tennis court in my yard. I grew up socializing with people of means. I am comfortable and know how to act around people that have some measure of affluence and power. How many black people can claim the same?

That being said, I am responsible for any success that I have enjoyed, but my white privilege and economic privilege gave me an advantage. I dropped out of college and got married. Eventually, I returned and paid my own way and obtained my degrees. That doesn't mean that I cannot appreciate the advantages that I had, if only in terms of education. White people are about twice as likely to have a college degree than their black counterparts. Thus, in black families, a college degree is more likely to be regarded as a goal rather than an expectation.
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You're a brainwashed fool.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You have not correctly identified the issue. White privilege refers to the line of thinking that believes that being white give the person a built in advantage. You're an a$$hole if you don't acknowledge that 99.9% of the time being white is an advantage. If you are going to succeed in life as a black person, its not enough to be as good as your white counterpart, you need to be better.
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99.9 %? No doubt an exaggeration to emphasize your point and unfortunately it's point that rings clear however, it is applicable to all minorities, not just blacks and is less prevalent today than yesterday with hope for tomorrow
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
And you're a dumb a$$. I assume you've substantive to say and we've just devolved into name-calling.
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It's easy. Not everything is race based. You're a complete and utter retard to think people are at a disadvantage based only on the color of their skin. If you're worth a **** you'll be just fine.

Households that push responsibility are successful. Those that don't, aren't. It's not skin based.
 
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tumscalcium said:
It's easy. Not everything is race based. You're a complete and utter retard to think people are at a disadvantage based only on the color of their skin. If you're worth a **** you'll be just fine.

Cultures and households that push responsibility are successful. Those that don't, aren't. It's not skin based.
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Then I assume that you believe black people are just naturally averse to responsibility and less intelligent than white people.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Then I assume that you believe black people are just naturally averse to responsibility and less intelligent than white people.
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That's your assumption. If your theory is correct no black people will/would be responsible and productive. That's simply not the case. The mindset in many households is different though. Many households don't believe they need to be productive and responsible. Have you ever heard the term 'Acting white'?

Everyone needs to be held to the same standards. When you start making special exceptions for anyone or any group then you're being counterproductive and heading backwards, not forwards.

Making special conditions based on skin color, gender, religion, etc... is heading straight backward in time, not forward.

What sacrifices are you willing to make in order to "equal" the playing field in your world?
 
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tumscalcium said:
That's your assumption. If your theory is correct no black people will/would be responsible and productive. That's simply not the case. The mindset in many households is different though. Many households don't believe they need to be productive and responsible. Have you ever heard the term 'Acting white'?

Everyone needs to be held to the same standards. When you start making special exceptions for anyone or any group then you're being counterproductive and heading backwards, not forwards.

Making special conditions based on skin color, gender, religion, etc... is heading straight backward in time, not forward.

What sacrifices are you willing to make in order to "equal" the playing field in your world?
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My assumption is extrapolated from your statements and quantifiable statistics.

As far as acting white I addressed my issue with the black community turning on its successful members, at least those that succeed outside of entertainment and sports.

I haven't advocated any special conditions. I have clearly stated that the results of AA are up for debate and that I think AA attempts to address the problem way too late in the cycle. Does putting a black kid in an Ivy League school really work? IMO, not usually because they were not academically prepared to attend an Ivy league university.

What am I willing to do? I am president of the PTA at my daughter's school. I am a big brother. But neither of those things have any sort of large scale impact. Something has to be done through early education and I don't mean taking funding away from successful schools. I don't have the answers, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Not one damned thing, but it's obvious that you do.
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Because I feel there is a problem, I feel guilty? I don't even know how to respond to such a non-sense suggestion.

I carry zero guilt. I just feel there is a need to address a situation that could result in a stronger and better America.
 
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hog88 said:
That is still more of an economic factor.

I had 1 person in my family graduate college, my grandmother (fathers side) and outside of my mother and father most never graduated HS. So I didn't have near the academic expectations you did, really all I was expected to do was graduate HS. Yet, I overcame.

Point being is yes there is economic privilege, anyone denying that is a fool but white privilege is virtually non existent.
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My parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts had no education past high school. My brother was the first to graduate, or even attend college, and I was second. They were all born quite poor.

My paternal grandfather came out of a mining camp near Appalachia, Va., went through the 3rd grade, but was later self educated as a bridge and building engineer, and became a successful businessman. They had zero privilege. They would be known known as poor white trash. I am damn proud of them, and am grateful for the work ethic, and personal responsibility they passed on to me.
 
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1972 Grad said:
My parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts had no education past high school. My brother was the first to graduate, or even attend college, and I was second. They were all born quite poor.

My paternal grandfather came out of a mining camp near Appalachia, Va., went through the 3rd grade, but was later self educated as a bridge and building engineer, and became a successful businessman. They had zero privilege. They would be known known as poor white trash. I am damn proud of them, and am grateful for the work ethic, and personal responsibility they passed on to me.
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A perfect example of why "class privilege" is more relevant than race privilege. But it's much easier to throw blame around when it's based on aspects that we can freely observe.
 
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