Gun control debate (merged)

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Lol no other rifle I'd trust. I gave up on the Daniel defense .308. At the price point they want, you only get a chrome/moly barrel. $2400 no thanks, they're ripping people off.
Seems I'm stuck with the old tried and true M1/M14 platform.
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Not something bad to be stuck with.
 
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hog88 said:
Not something bad to be stuck with.
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Indeed. I've been with the m14 almost exclusively since 1996. I've had Springfields and even a polytech that was garbage. Now, I have two smith enterprises builds on LRB receivers, one a clone of the 2ndID' s crazy horse and another that I lovingly call my Walter Mitty rifle.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Lol no other rifle I'd trust. I gave up on the Daniel defense .308. At the price point they want, you only get a chrome/moly barrel. $2400 no thanks, they're ripping people off.
Seems I'm stuck with the old tried and true M1/M14 platform.
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I kinda figured you'd come to your senses lol. But that 4150 CMV barrel is cold hammer forged and would do you justice I think.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Not at that price point. That's larue money.
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I'd bet you can actually buy a DD and not get on a 12 month wait list for a Larue lol

Larue screwed up when they decided to start making their own barrels instead of continuing to use the Lothar Walther barrels.

Sometimes you don't mess with a good thing. But if it comes to a precision -10 series, I'd think the GAP-10 or a Knights is the way to go. For a -10 fighting carbine, Knights. Providing money wasn't an issue.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd bet you can actually buy a DD and not get on a 12 month wait list for a Larue lol

Larue screwed up when they decided to start making their own barrels instead of continuing to use the Lothar Walther barrels.

Sometimes you don't mess with a good thing. But if it comes to a precision -10 series, I'd think the GAP-10 or a Knights is the way to go. For a -10 fighting carbine, Knights. Providing money wasn't an issue.
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I agree with everything you stated there. The wait for a larue is a killer, it could be a year or more. Plus Marc larue is a ****.
The only drawback with knights is the weight. My goodness they're heavy.
I'm familiar with ga precision bolt guns. I've not kept up on their semi's though.

They're all expensive, but at the level of rifle we're talking here, they're supposed to be lol
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I agree with everything you stated there. The wait for a larue is a killer, it could be a year or more. Plus Marc larue is a ****.
The only drawback with knights is the weight. My goodness they're heavy.
I'm familiar with ga precision bolt guns. I've not kept up on their semi's though.

They're all expensive, but at the level of rifle we're talking here, they're supposed to be lol
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GAP-10 G2

Has all sorts of bells and whistles to make one drool.

About the only thing I like out of Larue these days are the Dillo bottle openers, the padded sling (though I've replaced that with a V-CAS) and their QD mounts. However, built solid always means "heavy."
 
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Kurt Russel gets it. He probably just made the no fly list:

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Hopefully this kind of thing sets a precedent for other DoD installations:

Dyess allows concealed handgun transport in privately-owned vehicles

12/3/2015 - DYESS AIR FORCE BASE, Texas -- Changes to the Dyess Force Protection Plan, signed and approved by Col. David Benson, 7th Bomb Wing commander, now permits authorized personnel that possess a current and valid Texas Concealed Handgun License or a reciprocating state concealed carry license to transport and secure privately-owned handguns in privately-owned vehicles within legal boundaries of Dyess Air Force Base.

"While this policy change does not allow concealed carry on base, it does allow those who carry concealed weapons to transport them onto and off the base in their vehicles," said Col. David Benson, 7th Bomb Wing commander. "This provides a safe and secure way to bring their weapons on base."

Individuals wishing to transport a handgun must also have a valid Department of Defense identification card or Common Access Card and also hold one of the following statues: active duty personnel, Reserve personnel, National Guard personnel, retired military personnel, dependents of active duty personnel or Department of Defense civilians. However, private contractors, visitors or holders of special/one-time passes are not allowed to bring their handguns into the legal boundary of Dyess AFB at any time.
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Obsessed said:
Any opinion on the DPMS AR-10?
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I think DPMS is decent. You might want to consider building your own though. That way you can start with the exact features you want, rather than replacing stuff as you go.

What is your reasoning for wanting an AR-10? Are you just wanting something with more punch than the standard 5.56/.223 or are you choosing it because you want to shoot the .308 type cartridges (.260Rem, .243Win, .308, etc.)? If you want to stay with the AR-15 and need a more powerful round, you should consider the 6.8SPC or the 6.5 Grendel. Factory ammo is available for both calibers and the only thing needed to convert a standard AR-15 would be a new barrel, bolt, and new magazines (possibly a heavier buffer depending on your setup). The 300Blackout is another cartridge worth mentioning. The 300blk offers ballistics similar to the 7.62x39. The Grendel and 6.8SPC are better choices for longer range shooting. The 300blk was designed for short range work, especially at subsonic velocities while using a suppressor. The 300blk is the standardized version of the 300 Whisper (or similar wildcats, all of which are based on a .221 Fireball case with the neck expanded to .30 caliber and often loaded with heavy .30 cal bullets to achieve subsonic velocity). The 300 Blackout is based on a .223 case rather than the .221 Fireball case. You can use heavy bullets (for example a 220gr SMK) if you want to run a suppressor or use lighter .30 projectiles if you need supersonic velocity (the popularity of the 300blk has led to a lot of new .30 cal bullets in the 110-125gr range being offered) There are other 6mm and 6.5mm wildcat cartridges that work well in the AR-15, however, you must handload. Two good cartridges based on the 6.5 Grendel case are the 6mmAR and 6mmAR Turbo.
 
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I was born in Virginia and since I became a Tennessean I've watched it become a divided state. The entire eastern seaboard side has become super liberal and the other 80% gets ignored. It's a F'd up state, Washington DC area to the north, the heavily military dominated Tidewater area and everything else.

The majority of their economy depends on the government and the vast majority of land area is not part of that.
 
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VolStrom said:
I was born in Virginia and since I became a Tennessean I've watched it become a divided state. The entire eastern seaboard side has become super liberal and the other 80% gets ignored. It's a F'd up state, Washington DC area to the north, the heavily military dominated Tidewater area and everything else.

The majority of their economy depends on the government and the vast majority of land area is not part of that.
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Has been an effed up state for a long time. Most of east tennessee supported the union during the civil war...Most of the rest, didn't.

Certain things bring this state together, like UT football, however politically, it's all over the road...
 
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hog88 said:
It's turning into the People's Republic of Virginia. It's where I was born and raised but it's almost unrecognizable now.
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Even mother Jones admitted that 355 number or whatever is bonkers. I wish they'd stop using that dumb website like it's a reputable source.
 
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Here we go.

Democrats propose federal gun buyback | TheHill


Gun owners would be paid to sell their firearms to the federal government under new legislation from Democrats.

The Safer Neighborhoods Gun Buyback Act, which was reintroduced this week by Rep. Donald Payne Jr. (D-N.J.), is the latest attempt by Democrats to address gun violence. The bill has 22 co-sponsors.

"Although no one piece of legislation will eliminate all gun violence, this bill will get guns off the streets and keep them out of the hands of people who wish to cause harm,” Payne said. "If we can get one gun off the street, if we can save one life, then we have to take action.”

The voluntary gun buyback proposal resembles legislation offered by earlier this year by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) that sought to pay gun owners to turn over assault weapons to the federal government.

Both pieces of legislation are virtually certain to go nowhere in the Republican-controlled Congress.

As part of Payne's $360 million gun buyback initiative, the Justice Department would pay gun owners a premium of 25 percent more than the market value of their firearms.

Gun owners could turn over their firearms to state and local governments as well as certain gun dealers.

In return, the gun owners would receive a debit card they could use to purchase anything other than more guns and ammunition.

The Justice Department would destroy the guns and recycle the parts.
 
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Obsessed said:
Here we go.

Democrats propose federal gun buyback | TheHill


Gun owners would be paid to sell their firearms to the federal government under new legislation from Democrats.

The Safer Neighborhoods Gun Buyback Act, which was reintroduced this week by Rep. Donald Payne Jr. (D-N.J.), is the latest attempt by Democrats to address gun violence. The bill has 22 co-sponsors.

"Although no one piece of legislation will eliminate all gun violence, this bill will get guns off the streets and keep them out of the hands of people who wish to cause harm,” Payne said. "If we can get one gun off the street, if we can save one life, then we have to take action.”

The voluntary gun buyback proposal resembles legislation offered by earlier this year by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) that sought to pay gun owners to turn over assault weapons to the federal government.

Both pieces of legislation are virtually certain to go nowhere in the Republican-controlled Congress.

As part of Payne's $360 million gun buyback initiative, the Justice Department would pay gun owners a premium of 25 percent more than the market value of their firearms.

Gun owners could turn over their firearms to state and local governments as well as certain gun dealers.

In return, the gun owners would receive a debit card they could use to purchase anything other than more guns and ammunition.

The Justice Department would destroy the guns and recycle the parts.
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Sell your gun and use the card to buy essentials and the extra income to buy a better gun. Seems like a good trade to me.
 
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