Gun control debate (merged)

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#11,802
luthervol said:
As long as everyone agrees that there are rational and reasonable limits from which we all benefit, it shouldn't be such a damn impossibility to have a discussion.......but it is.
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It’s because we don’t agree , there are reasons for that as I pointed out earlier . You have people in your party ( presidential hopefuls and ones that are being considered for VP ) that are openly telling us they will confiscate our firearms by force if necessary. We can discuss anything anywhere and anytime , but asking for “compromise “ while threatening to use government force to remove me of my right ... probably is going to get very far .
 
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#11,803
luthervol said:
It was easy for me. I don't agree that kids have the right to bring knives and guns to school. I don't agree that Billy Bob has the right to walk into McDonald's with a fully automatic assault weapon slung over each shoulder. I don't agree that Junior has the right to have anti aircraft guns mounted on his back porch. I don't agree that Slim has the right to make unlimited gun purchases and then sell them out of his trunk at the local playground.
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They don't have the right. Criminals don't care about rights or laws.
 
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#11,804
luthervol said:
I asked another poster a little earlier today to list just 2 or 3 freedoms that have been taken away from gun lovers over the past 40 years (after he claimed that the left had done nothing but strip their rights over that time period).
He never responded.
I'll ask everyone.
What rights have you lost over the past 40 years?
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Is it your opinion that laws passed expand rights?

2 Rights restricted off the top of my head.
1. Ownership of certain guns is illegal or requires special permit.
2. I cannot exercise my 2A rights in some cities.
 
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0nelilreb said:
It’s because we don’t agree , there are reasons for that as I pointed out earlier . You have people in your party ( presidential hopefuls and ones that are being considered for VP ) that are openly telling us they will confiscate our firearms by force if necessary. We can discuss anything anywhere and anytime , but asking for “compromise “ while threatening to use government force to remove me of my right ... probably is going to get very far .
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...and to be crystal clear, some politicians are not anti ownership or use. They are against citizens owning or using. They are 100% in favor of government agents owning and using.
 
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luthervol said:
I asked another poster a little earlier today to list just 2 or 3 freedoms that have been taken away from gun lovers over the past 40 years (after he claimed that the left had done nothing but strip their rights over that time period).
He never responded.
I'll ask everyone.
What rights have you lost over the past 40 years?
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I guess I need to ask before it goes any further , are you looking for a compromise or are you just looking for a restriction of the 2a rights as they are now ? Keeping in mind , NOBODY will believe you if you say the compromise on your part is to not go after more , if you get what you want in the agreement.
 
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luthervol said:
It was easy for me. I don't agree that kids have the right to bring knives and guns to school. I don't agree that Billy Bob has the right to walk into McDonald's with a fully automatic assault weapon slung over each shoulder. I don't agree that Junior has the right to have anti aircraft guns mounted on his back porch. I don't agree that Slim has the right to make unlimited gun purchases and then sell them out of his trunk at the local playground.
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“Fully automatic assault weapon” 🙄
 
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0nelilreb said:
I guess I need to ask before it goes any further , are you looking for a compromise or are you just looking for a restriction of the 2a rights as they are now ? Keeping in mind , NOBODY will believe you if you say the compromise on your part is to not go after more , if you get what you want in the agreement.
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Personally, and I've stated this before, my goals would be:
Fewer guns produced, purchased, and owned.
Limits on types of guns that can be purchased.
Limits on number that can be purchased in given time periods.
None of which infringe on any 2a rights.
 
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#11,810
luthervol said:
Personally, and I've stated this before, my goals would be:
Fewer guns produced, purchased, and owned.
Limits on types of guns that can be purchased.
Limits on number that can be purchased in given time periods.
None of which infringe on any 2a rights.
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Fewer firearms owned and the number of firearms that can be purchased, limit the types I can purchase doesn’t restrict or take away from my 2a rights that I have right now?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Fewer firearms owned and the number of firearms that can be purchased, limit the types I can purchase doesn’t restrict or take away from my 2a rights that I have right now?
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No. You will still have the right to keep and bear arms. Wasn't that the right granted?
 
#11,819
#11,819
luthervol said:
No you shouldn't.
Look, we've identified a point of disagreement.
2a does not grant you that right nor is it rational or reasonable to expect that right.
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You do realize this is your opinion of what it says and not the court’s opinion right ? We already have those rights and you want to restrict them based on what you think it says .
 
#11,822
#11,822
luthervol said:
No you shouldn't.
Look, we've identified a point of disagreement.
2a does not grant you that right nor is it rational or reasonable to expect that right.
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Nothing should stop citizens from buying any kind of product.
The only thing that should stop you is your budget.
 
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0nelilreb said:
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.. act so as to LIMIT or UNDERMINE, ENCROACH on.

What you want is the pure definition of it .
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No one is trying to limit, undermine, or encroach on your right to keep and bear arms.
They are just trying to reasonably and rationally limit, undermine, and encroach on your ability to purchase as many guns as you wish of any and every type of gun imaginable.
Big difference.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The problem with you is you take the salt and keep it. When someone ask for the pepper, you keep it too. You are take and no give. Your version of compromise is ask for the moon and settle for a little less but never sacrificing anything. As with all liberals it all take and no give.
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Yeesh! How do you know this? Have you actually sat down with Luther at a real dinner table or simply played this out in your mind? Do you have any examples of the government keeping anyone's salt and pepper shakers? Ever heard of an analogy?
 
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