Gun control debate (merged)

[joevol33]

So apparently the Texas shooter had a felony conviction? WTF didn’t that criminal know he isn’t allowed to own a gun?! The gall of these damn criminals...

I'm sure more laws would have stopped him

 

[vols40]

Apparently CNN believes this to be important enough for print. SMH.


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And this will be what the media focuses on and not the hero who saved many lives

 

[ETV]

More than likely? You are just making that up.

Doubtful. Only in liberal fantasy land does everyone walk out of the store thinking they're wyatt earp.

 

[AshG]

I'm sure more laws would have stopped him

Or maybe, just maybe, an enhanced sense of community responsibility and someone notifying the police with suspicions that he illegally possessed a firearm.

Wonder how many shootings people paying attention and saying something in advance would stop?

 

[joevol33]

Or maybe, just maybe, an enhanced sense of community responsibility and someone notifying the police with suspicions that he illegally possessed a firearm.

Wonder how many shootings people paying attention and saying something in advance would stop?

I agree, if some law abiding citizen knew. With him being a felon, he likely got tge gun from someone who didn't obey the law. So how was anyone supposed to know he illegally bought the gun, let alone report it?

 

[RavinDave]

Wife is from Clintwood.

My Dad was from Clintwood.

 

[vols40]

I agree, if some law abiding citizen knew. With him being a felon, he likely got tge gun from someone who didn't obey the law. So how was anyone supposed to know he illegally bought the gun, let alone report it?

Clearly more laws will need to be enacted.

 

[McDad]

Or maybe, just maybe, an enhanced sense of community responsibility and someone notifying the police with suspicions that he illegally possessed a firearm.

Wonder how many shootings people paying attention and saying something in advance would stop?

No doubt it happens currently. We simply never hear of it because it isn't "newsworthy".

 

[AshG]

I agree, if some law abiding citizen knew. With him being a felon, he likely got tge gun from someone who didn't obey the law. So how was anyone supposed to know he illegally bought the gun, let alone report it?

I know it's not going to stop every shooting, but the idea of people knowing what's going on around them and reporting never seems to come into the conversation. If it does, it's way far back in line behind "not my problem" and "make fun of people who want to explore other solutions."

Actually, most everything is behind the 'make fun of other people' option. Somewhat sad, IMHO.

 

[AshG]

Accidental double post.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm sure more laws would have stopped him

Obviously that is the solution

 

[NorthDallas40]

Or maybe, just maybe, an enhanced sense of community responsibility and someone notifying the police with suspicions that he illegally possessed a firearm.

Wonder how many shootings people paying attention and saying something in advance would stop?

Wait what? It’s the community’s fault that the criminal chose to break the law and obtain a gun he wasn’t legally allowed to possess and go kill people with it?!

 

[Rickyvol77]

The Passing of the Peace has been renamed the Passing of the Piece.

The Lord be with you...
... And with your sidearm.

I grieve for what has become of our nation, when places of worship and places of learning are now places of fear. We must do what we must do in response.

“Places of fear” I am always armed and never “fear” going anywhere. Being prepared and cautious isn’t fear

 

[NorthDallas40]

I know it's not going to stop every shooting, but the idea of people knowing what's going on around them and reporting never seems to come into the conversation. If it does, it's way far back in line behind "not my problem" and "make fun of people who want to explore other solutions."

Actually, most everything is behind the 'make fun of other people' option. Somewhat sad, IMHO.

Community awareness doesn’t replace an individual’s right to self defense.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I know it's not going to stop every shooting, but the idea of people knowing what's going on around them and reporting never seems to come into the conversation. If it does, it's way far back in line behind "not my problem" and "make fun of people who want to explore other solutions."

Actually, most everything is behind the 'make fun of other people' option. Somewhat sad, IMHO.

Except then the libs complain about police involvement and overreach. Want it both ways

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Or maybe, just maybe, an enhanced sense of community responsibility and someone notifying the police with suspicions that he illegally possessed a firearm.

Wonder how many shootings people paying attention and saying something in advance would stop?

jmo I disagree. Thought police aren't the answer.
Good guys putting bullets in deranged people's dome piece will set a far better precedent. Suicidal is suicidal. Red Flag laws won't stop that and will only hurt more innocent people than will ever be saved.

 

[AshG]

Community awareness doesn’t replace an individual’s right to self defense.

Where did I say that? I can't find it.

 

[vols40]

Where did I say that? I can't find it.

Post # 11,529 of this thread

 

[NorthDallas40]

Where did I say that? I can't find it.

You damn sure implied that stance in these posts from where I’m sitting.

Or maybe, just maybe, an enhanced sense of community responsibility and someone notifying the police with suspicions that he illegally possessed a firearm.

Wonder how many shootings people paying attention and saying something in advance would stop?

I know it's not going to stop every shooting, but the idea of people knowing what's going on around them and reporting never seems to come into the conversation. If it does, it's way far back in line behind "not my problem" and "make fun of people who want to explore other solutions."

Actually, most everything is behind the 'make fun of other people' option. Somewhat sad, IMHO.

 

[AshG]

You damn sure implied that stance in these posts from where I’m sitting.

So because I forgot to use the words "in addition to more guns in the hands of good people," the assumption is automatically that I think they should be taken away?

I don't dabble in dualistic thinking. There are always spectrums of possibilities available, including some that can happen at the same time. Like increased community vigilance and increased carry.

When the automatic response to any suggestions that don't explicitly include more guns is that someone is trying to take guns, there's a whale of a psychological issue hiding underneath

 

[CagleMtnVol]

I'm sure more laws would have stopped him

If only there was a law against committing murder.

 

[vols40]

So because I forgot to use the words "in addition to more guns in the hands of good people," the assumption is automatically that I think they should be taken away?

I don't dabble in dualistic thinking. There are always spectrums of possibilities available, including some that can happen at the same time. Like increased community vigilance and increased carry.

When the automatic response to any suggestions that don't explicitly include more guns is that someone is trying to take guns, there's a whale of a psychological issue hiding underneath

I got the same impression to your post. That community involvement could possibly be as much if not more helpful than more citizens armed.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So because I forgot to use the words "in addition to more guns in the hands of good people," the assumption is automatically that I think they should be taken away?

I don't dabble in dualistic thinking. There are always spectrums of possibilities available, including some that can happen at the same time. Like increased community vigilance and increased carry.

When the automatic response to any suggestions that don't explicitly include more guns is that someone is trying to take guns, there's a whale of a psychological issue hiding underneath

Not buying it. Leading with “or maybe...” to me clearly says you’re pitching an alternative solution and not advocating your suggestion be in addition to the citizens being armed.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I got the same impression to your post. That community involvement could possibly be as much if not more helpful than more citizens armed.

Yep

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

As a reserve deputy and a firearms trainer of course he is perfectly suited to deal with that. I have said so. He is a hero.

I just worry that others will also try to be heroes when they have no business anywhere near a firearm.

Did anybody else empty their clip in heroness??