Gun control debate (merged)

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85SugarVol said:
Do you view Atlanta as demonstrably different than Memphis?

He made a choice to carry extra ammunition. And then decided to put it in the trunk.

Yea I think I agree with you. That’s a bit irrational.
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I view them as similar in many ways. Same with most cities of any size. Good areas and bad areas you should try to avoid. It's probably true of most every town of any size.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Like a safety feature on handguns that doesn't allow black men to point them at other people?
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Maybe leverage geofencing to help solve our problems. The firearm will work within certain geographic parameters, and it will be deactivated in others.

Of course we would need our government to control everything for us. The when’s and where’s our firearms will actually work. We can trust them! What could go wrong??? If it saves 1 life 😉
 
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turbovol said:
So, as I understand it, the gun crazies think we have not a gun problem but a "people problem." Not quite. We have a people problem AND
a gun problem--and that's why we have so much gun violence in America. The contend that we need to solve the "people problem."

Never has there been such an absurdly naive remark.


From the Gun Control Network:


US UK Comparative data

The more guns there are in society the more gun violence there is. International studies of high-income countries typically find that firearm availability is positively correlated with firearm homicide and usually overall homicide (Grinshteyn & Hemenway, 2016 American Journal of Medicine, in press). Comparisons between the United States and the UK make this abundantly clear.


The rate of gun ownership is 3.3 per 100 people in the population in Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland) compared with the US rate of 101, thirty times higher.


The annual rate of gun homicide per 100,000 of the population is currently 0.03 in Great Britain. This compares with 3.6 in the USA, a rate that is 120-fold greater. The total firearms death rate (including suicides and accidents as well) is 51 times higher in the US than in the UK.


Some other figures are worth noting:


  • In the US some two thirds of homicides involve a gun while in Great Britain the figure is approximately 5%.
  • There were 5,800 handgun homicides in the US in 2013. In the same year in Great Britain - where handguns are prohibited - fewer than 20 murders involved a handgun.

So gun control clearly does work! The UK has a low rate of gun crime but more can be done - people are still being killed and injured unnecessarily.



Guns are a serious problem in America. Everybody knows it but the crazies who value their neighborhood sheriff wannabe toys more than public safety. Fact.
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Move there.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you’re trying to claim guns are a problem you should look at overall homicide rate not just homicide by gun. What you’ll find is the white homicide rate despite greater gun ownership are about 1/10 that of the black rate in America and on part with that of Canada and the EU

To only look at “total gun deaths” is also a dumb way to compare. If you look at suicide rates we are actually slightly lower most years than England/Wales despite all those scary guns.

So no, gun ownership is neither correlated with homicide rates nor suicide rates.

Every year we have more guns than the year before. And yet nearly every year since around 1990 the homicide rate has decreased and suicides move up and down annually. Despite more and more firearms
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Ha: Nobody breaks down murders by race. I'm quite sure the vast majority of mass shootings in America--certainly, mass shootings at schools--are committed by white men. We have a gun and gun violence problem in America, as anyone with half a brain understands. This notion that the public is supposed to endure daily mass shootings and innocent people getting shot by crazy men with guns because a bunch of yahoos like their guns is not acceptable.

America’s high homicide rate - N-IUSSP
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
How about we have better laws that don't rely on the honor system to purchase a killing machine. I'm sure a criminal would never lie...
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So if we had the right law in place, people would not commit murder.

Hmmm. Need to think about that line of reasoning. Something seems to have missed. What could it be...?
 
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turbovol said:
Ha: Nobody breaks down murders by race. I'm quite sure the vast majority of mass shootings in America--certainly, mass shootings at schools--are committed by white men. We have a gun and gun violence problem in America, as anyone with half a brain understands. This notion that the public is supposed to endure daily mass shootings and innocent people getting shot by crazy men with guns because a bunch of yahoos like their guns is not acceptable.

America’s high homicide rate - N-IUSSP
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White men or those that identify as white men?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
How about we have better laws that don't rely on the honor system to purchase a killing machine. I'm sure a criminal would never lie...
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Like a voter registration? You fill out the form and then they do a background check. They figure most people aren’t dumb enough to commit a blatant felony when attempting to legally purchase a firearm.
 
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C-south said:
Like a voter registration? You fill out the form and then they do a background check. They figure most people aren’t dumb enough to commit a blatant felony when attempting to legally purchase a firearm.
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If I'm a criminal and I'm purchasing a gun to use to murder someone do you honestly think I'm worried about being charged with a felony for lying on a form?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
If I'm a criminal and I'm purchasing a gun to use to murder someone do you honestly think I'm worried about being charged with a felony for lying on a form?
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If your a criminal are you going to think twice if someone offers you money to place fraudulent ballots, or harvest then or intimidate someone one vote.....no because your a criminal...either way a criminal will complete the crime they want to commit. Period
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
If I'm a criminal and I'm purchasing a gun to use to murder someone do you honestly think I'm worried about being charged with a felony for lying on a form?
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If you're a convicted felon, you're not buying a gun legally and if you're buying a gun on the street, I don't think they generally ask you to fill out any forms.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
If I'm a criminal and I'm purchasing a gun to use to murder someone do you honestly think I'm worried about being charged with a felony for lying on a form?
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We all agree with you. That’s why the idea that more laws will stop this is a lie. Which is why it’s so gross when you campaign over the warm bodies of dead children.
 
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