Guarantano "Erratic" at Manning Camp

[VolForLife83]

Our fanbase is erratic

 

[FïreBall]

Well, the Florida freshman Qb did beat someone..... who was it? Oh yeah. Ark Qb Allen was far better than JG. A&M Qb sure wasn’t worse.

Bamas Freshman Qb was better. He did pretty good in the few times he played, didn’t he? Patterson at OM wasn’t a freshman cause he played a couple games in 16 but he’s in the same ha class as JG. . Far better. Eason at Ga in same class as he’s far better although no longer at Ga. I don’t understand how Vol fans can watch ‘17 and not be concerned at Qb?

It's easy for me to be hopeful.. Because if you took any of the QBs you just mentioned and played then in JGs place last year.. I would easily bet they would have had the same success as JG..

 

[MWAVolfan]

JG has improved tremendously.

But the issue is, he was not a very good QB even when he was ranked at the nations #1 DT QB.

-he's not a natural "passer". He can throw well but that's one aspect of passing. And hes far to mechanical and only has/had one throwing speed. No variation in his throwing skill set. No touch whatsoever. Thats all I saw in his high school tape. And i still see that...

He WANTS to be a QB...but in his being...hes not. Not yet.

Chryst will win the job. And JG will probably transfer...
McBride will play next year and 2019...

We are in bad bad shape if this is the case.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Being "erratic" is more objective than the reasons why he may be being "erratic." It's also a way to soften the criticism so he doesn't look like a jerk.

It's not a flattering piece.

This. JG being erratic is more or less a statement of fact(either he was erratic or he wasn't) there isn't much wiggle room there to call an "opinion".

Trying to make excuses for the kid as to why he was erratic, now that's pure speculation. Unless you are JG, you can't factually state why he was erratic.

Some people also discredit the reporter because "the same guy called Chryst a dink and dunk passer" as if not being happy with ANY of TNs QBs somehow discredits you because at least one of them you have to think is great, right? Wrong.

 

[Fijivol72]

I have seen nothing that tells me he can lead this team.

 

[LittleVol]

I have seen nothing that tells me he can lead this team.

This too.

Chryst might actually flourish under Helton.
So far he's just been a caretaker.

I hope so. We need a leader and efficient QB.

The 3 star out of Florida better be ready to compete with Shrout.
Because we will need him sooner rather than later.

 

[OnlyGodForgives]

Well, the Florida freshman Qb did beat someone..... who was it? Oh yeah. Ark Qb Allen was far better than JG. A&M Qb sure wasn’t worse.

Bamas Freshman Qb was better. He did pretty good in the few times he played, didn’t he? Patterson at OM wasn’t a freshman cause he played a couple games in 16 but he’s in the same ha class as JG. . Far better. Eason at Ga in same class as he’s far better although no longer at Ga. I don’t understand how Vol fans can watch ‘17 and not be concerned at Qb?

I'm sure there is plenty of concern. "Whistling past the graveyard" should be in the forum logo.

 

[KeyVol14]

Being under the tutelage of Mike Canales and Butch Jones would make any QB erratic.

Its gonna take time for him to shake the stench of those two off him.

Still to this day can’t figure why the heck canales was hired but then I remembered Butch Jones was still coach and everything made sense lol

 

[orangebloodgmc]

Ha, I wouldn't classify anything I saw on the field last year at the QB position as an "IT" factor unless it was preceded by an "S" and an "H."

I know you're just jokin' ... but :shades:

 

[VolBraniac]

JG has improved tremendously.

:crazy:

But the issue is, he was not a very good QB even when he was ranked at the nations #1 DT QB.

-he's not a natural "passer". He can throw well but that's one aspect of passing. And hes far to mechanical and only has/had one throwing speed. No variation in his throwing skill set. No touch whatsoever. Thats all I saw in his high school tape. And i still see that...

He WANTS to be a QB...but in his being...hes not. Not yet.

:crazy:

Chryst will win the job. And JG will probably transfer...
McBride will play next year and 2019...

If McBride starts, we have lost our ability to recruit the position.

 

[HARTUPM]

Guarantano will be a back-up QB if he sticks around.

 

[wmcovol]

It's easy for me to be hopeful.. Because if you took any of the QBs you just mentioned and played then in JGs place last year.. I would easily bet they would have had the same success as JG..

Well, you can speculate that but Bama fan said JG "was the worst SEC Qb they played against" and you disagreed with him. You stated other than Fromm, he was best Freshman qb in SEC which is bull****. I named about 6 SEC qb either in JGs class or freshmen much better than him. I simply point out that it was very likely JG was the worst Qb in the league LAST YEAR. He held the ball way to long(could be a sign of not being prepared or confused) wasn't very accurate and did nothing with his feet.

JG may be much better this year and I don't place a lot of weight on 7 on 7 at Manning Camp. He needs to show it when live bullets are coming at him.

 

[LargePairOfVols]

This. JG being erratic is more or less a statement of fact(either he was erratic or he wasn't) there isn't much wiggle room there to call an "opinion".

Trying to make excuses for the kid as to why he was erratic, now that's pure speculation. Unless you are JG, you can't factually state why he was erratic.

Some people also discredit the reporter because "the same guy called Chryst a dink and dunk passer" as if not being happy with ANY of TNs QBs somehow discredits you because at least one of them you have to think is great, right? Wrong.

Good point. JG is a walking liability on a team full of liabilities. He holds the ball too long and has no awareness. If you have to coach a QB out of these things he's not a QB.

Can argue all day about ceilings but I think you've got to go with Chryst. He's less of a liability. Would be shocked if he's not the starter game 1.

 

[FïreBall]

Well, you can speculate that but Bama fan said JG "was the worst SEC Qb they played against" and you disagreed with him. You stated other than Fromm, he was best Freshman qb in SEC which is bull****. I named about 6 SEC qb either in JGs class or freshmen much better than him. I simply point out that it was very likely JG was the worst Qb in the league LAST YEAR. He held the ball way to long(could be a sign of not being prepared or confused) wasn't very accurate and did nothing with his feet.

JG may be much better this year and I don't place a lot of weight on 7 on 7 at Manning Camp. He needs to show it when live bullets are coming at him.

I didn't mention any specific QB in my reply.. I basically stated that, in my opinion, that any QB mentioned would have had similar results playing for UT last year.. QB play isn't like playing Golf.. Gotta factor in the whole team, coaches ect..

 

[butchna]

Well, you can speculate that but Bama fan said JG "was the worst SEC Qb they played against" and you disagreed with him. You stated other than Fromm, he was best Freshman qb in SEC which is bull****. I named about 6 SEC qb either in JGs class or freshmen much better than him. I simply point out that it was very likely JG was the worst Qb in the league LAST YEAR. He held the ball way to long(could be a sign of not being prepared or confused) wasn't very accurate and did nothing with his feet.

JG may be much better this year and I don't place a lot of weight on 7 on 7 at Manning Camp. He needs to show it when live bullets are coming at him.

Somebody should tell him. :good!:

 

[OnlyGodForgives]

I thought that first TD in the Spring game was a pretty good play. Did they luck out or was it executed correctly? Asking because I don't know.

 

[k-town_king]

Well, you can speculate that but Bama fan said JG "was the worst SEC Qb they played against" and you disagreed with him. You stated other than Fromm, he was best Freshman qb in SEC which is bull****. I named about 6 SEC qb either in JGs class or freshmen much better than him. I simply point out that it was very likely JG was the worst Qb in the league LAST YEAR. He held the ball way to long(could be a sign of not being prepared or confused) wasn't very accurate and did nothing with his feet.

JG may be much better this year and I don't place a lot of weight on 7 on 7 at Manning Camp. He needs to show it when live bullets are coming at him.

At least address the right guy when you get so sassy.

I said it. He was the second best FRESHMAN STARTER in the SEC.

Not Sophomore who played last year or guy who played mop up vs backups.

Who cares what a Bama fan says?

Worst in the SEC? He wasn't even the worst on the team. :crazy:

 

[wmcovol]

At least address the right guy when you get so sassy.

I said it. He was the second best FRESHMAN STARTER in the SEC.

Not Sophomore who played last year or guy who played mop up vs backups.

Who cares what a Bama fan says?

Worst in the SEC? He wasn't even the worst on the team. :crazy:

There were only 3 “freshman starters and one that he claims wasn’t as good as JG beat us!!!!

I consider information from all reliable sources, even opponents when they appear reasonable. He made what I consider to be a very sound statement. He should know who the worst SEC qb was bama played.

The issues of waiting too long to throw (hell, I would scream, throw the damn ball somewhere) and not being able to run are on him, not his teammates. In fact, he had much better protection than you’d think a qB on an 0-8 team would have. Many of his sacks were on him.

 

[ReasonableUTfan]

Guarantano will be a back-up QB if he sticks around.

That's a laughable statement and what do you base this off of? NVM I doubt anything thing you could muster after this comment would make much sense. Sorry!

 

[ReasonableUTfan]

Have to say (Soap box in place) It always amazes me how fans (fanatics) love to tear down a kid who's doing something on a level they could never attain, but they are a better judge of talent, better coach, etc and their opinion is the end all be all.

Case in point Jonathan Crompton was a basket case until coaches realized, get him out side the pocket and he thrived. I don't like to give LK credit but he was sopt on with this kid.

JG suffered from; bad game prep, bad coaching, horrible protection while in the pocket, and a youthful way of approaching the game. Gone are those days and if you didn't watch or pay attention to JG during the O&W game then you missed a kid making great decisions, looking the entire field over, doing things better than last year. As a team progresses in game one to game two how do you think kids progress in a system more built around their strengths? You want to sell a kid out when I would place a hefty wager seeing the detractors having a pocket collapse around them, DE end salivating over the chance to take his head off on how would they fair? My guess would be the morgue.

I can always spot fans that never played a down of college ball or for that matter meaningful minutes on a high school team other than drinking Gatorade, never showed enough promise to make first or even second team but can tell you how if they would have played they would have been great at their position. Legends in their own mind. You are cutting down a player that has more talent in a single sport than you've had in your entire life except for the ability to tear someone down to make yourself feel better or have some kind of self worth belittling someone doing something you could only dream of doing.

Now is JG going to be the end all be all his remaining time here? I don't have a clue, but I can tell you this and I'll back this up however you want to call me on it but with proper coaching, and OL that is more than serviceable, you will see JG play his tail off. The kid is talented and if you can't see it, your opinion has either placed blinders over your eyes or (MHO) you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. My bet would be on the latter.....

So in closing (sorry so long DR) can we see how the 1st game goes and see the actions on the field before you offer your opinion on how terrible this kid is and will be destined to be a back up? Some of these posters on this board are ridiculous.

FLAME AWAY....... If no response, I put you into the category of not worthy of a reply.

TIFWIW

 

[FïreBall]

JG suffered from; bad game prep, bad coaching, horrible protection while in the pocket, and a youthful way of approaching the game. Gone are those days and if you didn't watch or pay attention to JG during the O&W game then you missed a kid making great decisions, looking the entire field over, doing things better than last year. As a team progresses in game one to game two how do you think kids progress in a system more built around their strengths? You want to sell a kid out when I would place a hefty wager seeing the detractors having a pocket collapse around them, DE end salivating over the chance to take his head off on how would they fair? My guess would be the morgue.

This...

 

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

The problem is...this new coaching staff doesn’t have any loyalty to any player like the previous coach did. People think just bc JG has taken some hits, has started in some tough venues, and has been put in some tough situations, he deserves the starting position. Well no one deserves anything anymore. It’s all about how you work and produce on the practice field. Names and prior status don’t mean anything right now.

 

[ReasonableUTfan]

The problem is...this new coaching staff doesn’t have any loyalty to any player like the previous coach did. People think just bc JG has taken some hits, has started in some tough venues, and has been put in some tough situations, he deserves the starting position. Well no one deserves anything anymore. It’s all about how you work and produce on the practice field. Names and prior status don’t mean anything right now.

Valid point, but never think I said deserves. You have to look at his progression which speaks volumes for the young man. Once again valid point but you summoned up my opinion in your last sentence, earning it on the practice field,but we all know Josh was a terrible practice player but come game time was a game changer. JG did nothing but impress during the spring.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

It's easy for me to be hopeful.. Because if you took any of the QBs you just mentioned and played then in JGs place last year.. I would easily bet they would have had the same success as JG..

Disagree. JG needed to work on some stuff and hopefully he has. But last year he was not a good QB. Did he show signs that he could do certain things? Of course he did. But he did not help his O-Line out at all and some of that is on the receivers as well.

 

[zeppelin128]

The problem is...this new coaching staff doesn’t have any loyalty to any player like the previous coach did. People think just bc JG has taken some hits, has started in some tough venues, and has been put in some tough situations, he deserves the starting position. Well no one deserves anything anymore. It’s all about how you work and produce on the practice field. Names and prior status don’t mean anything right now.

This is a good thing in my opinion. If you get the starting job it is because you proved in practice that you deserve it. No special treatment. Perform or ride the pine, simple as that.

I have no clue who will start at QB, but I'm willing to give JG the benefit of the doubt. He did play under the worst OC, Head Coach, and offensive line in Vol history. Kiffen coached Crompton into a much better QB. Helton might do the same.

Call it BVS, but I just want to beat Vandy and Kentucky at this point. I don't care who starts, just as long as it gives us the best chance to win more than 4 games.