GT - Why cut block?

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VFL-82-JP said:
They don't want to be inside our heads, GAVol. They don't care where our heads are, or what's inside them.

The only people's heads they want to be inside when it comes to chop blocking and cut blocking is our DLine. And those fellas aren't here.
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Thanks. I'm pretty sure everybody else read between the lines and knows that's exactly what I meant.
 
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The back side OG cut blocks. This is because of the wide gaps in our spread formation. The only way to make the block is to cut if the DT is shooting the gap toward the play.

The slot back or A-Back cut blocks based on size and timing.

The WR does not cut block because they are bigger than the CB and the timing mentioned by another poster.

The full back cut blocks like every other full back on pass plays.

You might say GT plays smash mouth football... not chicken fighting /dancing polar bear football : )

Don't forget UT does this...
https://twitter.com/Longestday1/status/891311209064140800
 
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As our visitor from the Atl pointed out, the A backs in the spread option offense are often times much smaller than the defenders they're blocking, so a "cut" makes sense, especially on the perimeter. Everybody cuts and every college defensive coach in the country teaches how to defeat a cut block (hand on the side of the blocker's helmet,other hand on hip, then sprawl)... Even when executed, defeating the block, that is, the defender's pursuit and scrape is still slower, which is just enough to create a crease for the dive, QB keep, or the pitch...
 
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beej67 said:
First off, don't freak out about cut blocks. All a cut block is, is a "no-armed tackle." It's not any more dangerous than any other tackle. Unless you want to switch to flag football, it's just a thing.

Second, we don't always cut block. It's situational, both by play and by position. From the outside in:

Our WRs drive block more than cut block, because if they cut block off the snap, the defensive player has stood up by the time the play gets out there, and it's worthless. If we're switch-blocking a LB with the WR, "cracking back," then cut blocking is flat out illegal. Don't do it much out there.

Our ABs (slot backs) cut a bunch. First, it's legal because they're heads up on the LB. Second, the LBs are bigger. We don't use TEs which have the mass to take a block against a good LB head on, so the ABs have to cut to compete. Plus, they're cutting right as the play turns upfield, when all they really need is to slow the LB down one or two seconds and he's out of the play.

Our OL cuts some, drives some, depending on the situation. Pro style OLs cut on screens to make passing lanes all the time, so this isn't unusual. Our guys drive block the DLs most of the time, but will often cut the backside guy if we're going to be running away from him anyway, again because the idea is just to slow them down. Our OLs are also asked to line up in wide splits and shoot the gaps to put a hat on LBs quite often, and when they do that, a lot of times they have to cut to get to the LB in time, before the LB can evade the block.

Our BB (fullback, but we use them like an ordinary tailback) cuts on passing plays quite a bit. This is standard in all offenses, because RBs don't have the size to block pass rushers heads up. You guys do it too.

So that's it, position by position. Haven't read the thread yet, I'm sure there's plenty in there that requires a response. Hope to get to that later.
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What about the way your wideouts throw themselves into the back of the legs of trailing linemen who don't even see them coming from behind? As my high school coach used to say "that's chicken$&@)!
 
#56
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GAVol said:
If you're talking about cut blocks, they're inside your head where they want to be.

Everybody does it in certain places. They just do it more.
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This too. If our opponents players are talking about cut blocks in the press the week before, that usually bodes well for us. If coaches are talking about it, especially so.

That "chop block o clock" meme above is actually GT made I think. :)

That said, working on proper form to avoid a cut block is important stuff for coaches to do all the time, for safety reasons.

CoaxialOrange said:
Main thing for our guys it to know you're going to give up a big play here and there. Just don't let that play become 2. They will probably go tempo right after a long run or pass.
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I WISH. This is one of the things that frustrates me the most about the way we run our offense. It would be so easy to run tempo after a big gain, because our playbook is so narrow. We could even have the QB call the play at the line. Paul Johnson is very touchy about letting anyone else call plays, and he really likes having the same tempo of each play, where he shuttles a guy in and breaks the huddle on the same timing.
 
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Can't remember who you guys were playing but it seemed you guys went tempo immediately after a big gain. UGA maybe?
 
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jtupnsmoke said:
Not sure I want to voice that out loud, but watching some of their games, someone is always getting hurt. There's also a lot of close calls where they barely miss on a chop block that would definitely hurt the dlineman.
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We actually don't have very many guys getting hurt from cut Blocks. Take UK for instance, two DL guys got hurt back to back and the announcers showed the replays and showed how neither were from cut blocks.
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
Can't remember who you guys were playing but it seemed you guys went tempo immediately after a big gain. UGA maybe?
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If it was 4th quarter UGA it's probably because we were down by 2 scores. :)

We go tempo when we're in 2 minute drill. And we do have a 2 minute drill that isn't too bad, as opposed to what many people say. It's run and shoot principles out of the same formation, basically Mike Leach stuff without the shotgun. We're not fabulous at it because we don't practice it as much as teams that do it all game do, but it works. ACC Championship Game in 2014 had some fabulous 2 minute drill work in it, even though we came up a little short on the W.
 
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Techfan1 said:
We actually don't have very many guys getting hurt from cut Blocks. Take UK for instance, two DL guys got hurt back to back and the announcers showed the replays and showed how neither were from cut blocks.
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I'd say it is misnomer started by these pesky VATech fans. My buddy is huge VATech fan and blames everything bad on Paul Johnson I mean everything.
 
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beej67 said:
If it was 4th quarter UGA it's probably because we were down by 2 scores. :)

We go tempo when we're in 2 minute drill. And we do have a 2 minute drill that isn't too bad, as opposed to what many people say. It's run and shoot principles out of the same formation, basically Mike Leach stuff without the shotgun. We're not fabulous at it because we don't practice it as much as teams that do it all game do, but it works. ACC Championship Game in 2014 had some fabulous 2 minute drill work in it, even though we came up a little short on the W.
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When it's rolling it's actually impressive
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
In the wishbone/triple option offense, cut blocks (not chop blocks, just cut blocks) are often more about speed than size.

Sure, cut blocking helps an under-sized OLineman with his size disadvantage. But even more, it allows him to very rapidly get around to the side of the DLineman, get in the way of where the DL wants to go. Diving in front of the guy, to either side, is a lot faster than moving your entire body in front of him to that side.

And the triple-o depends a lot on movement at the snap. On things flowing in the right directions, as the play is drawn up.

When the QB and one or two RBs start flowing in one direction, just behind the line of scrimmage, the OLine is supposed to be like sandpaper, scraping off defenders as they try to follow the play in the same direction. Slow them down, stop them, so that the offense has a numerical advantage by the time the play gets out to the flat.

So, a diving cut block will often get you there when moving your feet and body might not.

I think that's actually the primary purpose of the cut block in this offense. The fact that it works well even with undersized OLinemen is just a side benefit that allows Paul Johnson and other triple-o coaches some wiggle room in recruiting.
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Very good post, also when you cut block and have two guys on the ground or more, it becomes harder for back side defenders to get around them to make plays compared to guys straight up blocking. Causes more "traffic" on the field which is always good for what we run.
 
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Longestdays said:
The back side OG cut blocks. This is because of the wide gaps in our spread formation. The only way to make the block is to cut if the DT is shooting the gap toward the play.

The slot back or A-Back cut blocks based on size and timing.

The WR does not cut block because they are bigger than the CB and the timing mentioned by another poster.

The full back cut blocks like every other full back on pass plays.

You might say GT plays smash mouth football... not chicken fighting /dancing polar bear football : )

Don't forget UT does this...
https://twitter.com/Longestday1/status/891311209064140800
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That's oranges to apples trying to compare that block to what you'll do. The guy getting blocked is looking right at our guy coming at him.

Your cut blocks are usually unseen and from the side.
 
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aaronvol said:
I would play an extra yard off the line of scrimmage. Would look weird, but it would make them keep an extremely low stance for much longer and let us get our hands out a bit better...thoughts?
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The B back drive would kill this. If y'all have some stud DT's that would be major for y'all. That's how Clemson handled us so well.
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
I'd say it is misnomer started by these pesky VATech fans. My buddy is huge VATech fan and blames everything bad on Paul Johnson I mean everything.
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😂 lol we get it a lot and I understand the frustration to an extent, but still most every team does it, we just do it more. People complain about injuries but can't find many that have happened by a cut block from a GT player.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
That's oranges to apples trying to compare that block to what you'll do. The guy getting blocked is looking right at our guy coming at him.

Your cut blocks are usually unseen and from the side.
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Can you prove this? I could actually say this way we see with UT (which we do as well on the second level) can create injury just as easy. It's a 300 pound man doing it to someone around maybe 225?
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
I'd say it is misnomer started by these pesky VATech fans. My buddy is huge VATech fan and blames everything bad on Paul Johnson I mean everything.
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Ahh, an opportunity to post my favorite meme.

http://imgur.com/a/ljR8X

edit: dang, yall's software doesn't do imgur? *grumble*

edit2: ok ok, here's one that's funny for the heck of it, but follow the link above to know what a chop block actually looks like. (VT-GT related)

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Techfan1 said:
Can you prove this? I could actually say this way we see with UT (which we do as well on the second level) can create injury just as easy. It's a 300 pound man doing it to someone around maybe 225?
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[youtube]http://youtu.be/QpTN1TaVK2Q[/youtube]

Watch #96 for Georgia lock up with the GT center and then the left gaurd dives at his knees and ankles. That is the most chicken chit form of football I have ever seen. There is a reason guys have season ending surgeries after playing you'll and it isn't because of the turf.
 
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beej67 said:
Ahh, an opportunity to post my favorite meme.

http://imgur.com/a/ljR8X

edit: dang, yall's software doesn't do imgur? *grumble*

edit2: ok ok, here's one that's funny for the heck of it, but follow the link above to know what a chop block actually looks like. (VT-GT related)

b3esvencqaafwdn.jpg
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He left his laptop at home the day after y'all beat them and he blamed it on PJ
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
[youtube]http://youtu.be/QpTN1TaVK2Q[/youtube]

Watch #96 for Georgia lock up with the GT center and then the left gaurd dives at his knees and ankles. That is the most chicken chit form of football I have ever seen. There is a reason guys have season ending surgeries after playing you'll and it isn't because of the turf.
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Can you please name more than 1 guy that has had a season ending injury after playing us? Actually can you name one?
 
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Techfan1 said:
Can you please name more than 1 guy that has had a season ending injury after playing us? Actually can you name one?
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You ask me to prove it to you. Before you ask me another question on my teams board how about you answer mine. Tell me what would you call that block I just gave you as proof in the youtube video?
 
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Techfan1 said:
Can you please name more than 1 guy that has had a season ending injury after playing us? Actually can you name one?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb...nson-mark-stoops-kentucky-georgia-tech-blocks

Just to play along and welcome you to our board how about Alvonte Bell with Kentucky. In that link would you mind explaining the lineman diving at his feet while being locked up with the center just like the youtube video? Can I get your explanation for both videos?

I really don't see how you can root for a team and watch that bs go on.

It was announced at the Kentucky Summer luncheon that Alvonte Bell had been dismissed for violation of team rules. The poor guy probably got addicted to pain pills from having to get his knee reconstructed.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb...nson-mark-stoops-kentucky-georgia-tech-blocks

Just to play along and welcome you to our board how about Alvonte Bell with Kentucky. In that link would you mind explaining the lineman diving at his feet while being locked up with the center just like the youtube video? Can I get your explanation for both videos?

I really don't see how you can root for a team and watch that bs go on.

It was announced at the Kentucky Summer luncheon that Alvonte Bell had been dismissed for violation of team rules. The poor guy probably got addicted to pain pills from having to get his knee reconstructed.
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Both of those guys got injured by drive blocks. They weren't even cut lol..... even the announcers said this after watching the replay, and didn't know what stoops was mad about. In the first one he got blocked into a guy behind him on the ground (no cut block) and on the second it was the same thing. Go watch the game on YouTube at those points so you can see a better view and listen to the announcers.
 
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